Versus Battle All Magic knight Captains and Julius from BC vs C3, Fujitora and Sengoku

Who wins?


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Light D Lamperouge

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#1
Revisiting some discussion on discord @Admiral Lee Hung and I had, I was interested in seeing more opinions regarding this match up

https://blackclover.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_Knights These are the captains
this is Julius
https://blackclover.fandom.com/wiki/Julius_Novachrono
More info on Julius
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/a6ra6x
There is one on Yami as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/9pdp40


One Piece I assume you are familiar with

So what's your opinion?

The captains can ofc hit the logias. Intangibility is off.

some tags
@Admiral Lee Hung @HA001 @Guan Yu @Sentinel @Chrono @Awakening_coming @Zenos7 etc
I am not sure who else follows BC
 
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#3
Ah in that case all together....I got to give it to OP side. Magic Captains so far got nothing heavy to take them out. Julius I am concern due to Time Magic, but since he lost to Vengeance in fight with Light Magic I can feel Kizaru take him out. I see him as best high-diffed while Yami is around mid-diff to high-diff maybe. There is Vengeance and Julius, but again Kizaru a light user like him can fight him off. Plus don't think they got amything to take on intangiblity of Logos users unless uses elemental powers, but Idk how affective their magic will be especially dealing with Haki.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#4
Ah in that case all together....I got to give it to OP side. Magic Captains so far got nothing heavy to take them out. Julius I am concern due to Time Magic, but since he lost to Vengeance in fight with Light Magic I can feel Kizaru take him out. I see him as best high-diffed while Yami is around mid-diff to high-diff maybe. There is Vengeance and Julius, but again Kizaru a light user like him can fight him off. Plus don't think they got amything to take on intangiblity of Logos users unless uses elemental powers, but Idk how affective their magic will be especially dealing with Haki.
Assume they can hit them, in crossverse battles that's allowed, I'll edit the OP.

Julius is FTL actually. Patri only beat Julius cause Julius didn't have killing intent and wanted to capture him, plus it was William's body, and he wanted to protect him and all the citizens of Clover Kingdom. In their first instance Julius took Patri's arm while protecting Asta back in the cave. Julius with killing intent and not having to worry about his friend's body and the kingdom destroys Patri.

All the combatants on BC team have ls feats, some straight up some through scaling, some FTL like Julius. Plus they have a lot of hax. Sengoku is prob the weak link here and can go down immediately. Julius' magic is extremely dangerous. Julius can annihilate the flow of time over a given area, can reverse time and heal himself, can also rewind time against any attack, repelling it back at the user with equal power regardless of how strong it is.

Black clover takes this due to Julius mostly.
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#5
No judge to the Admirals but Julius is kinda op to beat him.
He is faster then light and have massive hax ability who give him the chance to kill the admirals.
I think the Captains and Julius take this battle.
 

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#7
Julius solos the entire OP team. Dude is ridiculous lol.

Just magic knight captains vs the C3, the magic knight captains still win due to ridiculous hax. Both Yami and Jack the Ripper can one shot anyone here, and Dorothy can lock them all in dream magic and they’d have no real way of escaping.

Admirals win in brute force but hax >> brute force
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#8
Julius solos the entire OP team. Dude is ridiculous lol.

Just magic knight captains vs the C3, the magic knight captains still win due to ridiculous hax. Both Yami and Jack the Ripper can one shot anyone here, and Dorothy can lock them all in dream magic and they’d have no real way of escaping.

Admirals win in brute force but hax >> brute force
The more the other captains and characters show off their powers somehow the more impressive Julius looks. I think it is time maybe for a re-read to see how he compares with Lumiere.
 
#9
Assume they can hit them, in crossverse battles that's allowed, I'll edit the OP.

Julius is FTL actually. Patri only beat Julius cause Julius didn't have killing intent and wanted to capture him, plus it was William's body, and he wanted to protect him and all the citizens of Clover Kingdom. In their first instance Julius took Patri's arm while protecting Asta back in the cave. Julius with killing intent and not having to worry about his friend's body and the kingdom destroys Patri.

All the combatants on BC team have ls feats, some straight up some through scaling, some FTL like Julius. Plus they have a lot of hax. Sengoku is prob the weak link here and can go down immediately. Julius' magic is extremely dangerous. Julius can annihilate the flow of time over a given area, can reverse time and heal himself, can also rewind time against any attack, repelling it back at the user with equal power regardless of how strong it is.

Black clover takes this due to Julius mostly.
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If that's case if no intangiblity, then BC might have a chance, but honestly just because of Julius though, but we shouldn't underestimate Adimrals and Sengoku to be taken out down as feel as though they will find a way to get to Julius and beat him.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#10
If that's case if no intangiblity, then BC might have a chance, but honestly just because of Julius though, but we shouldn't underestimate Adimrals and Sengoku to be taken out down as feel as though they will find a way to get to Julius and beat him.
Julius moves faster than them, faster than the fastest of them. Julius' hax is on another level. Then you add other hax individuals like Yami with his Dimension slash, Jack who can adapt to anything and cut it and Dorothy who can trap you in her world, Nozel with his feats against dark Licht is absurd, Fuegoleon now has the Salamander.

The Admirals are better in brute force, and have good hax.
Black Clover team is faster, and has way way way better hax.
 
#11
Julius moves faster than them, faster than the fastest of them. Julius' hax is on another level. Then you add other hax individuals like Yami with his Dimension slash, Jack who can adapt to anything and cut it and Dorothy who can trap you in her world, Nozel with his feats against dark Licht is absurd, Fuegoleon now has the Salamander.

The Admirals are better in brute force, and have good hax.
Black Clover team is faster, and has way way way better hax.
Though without Haki, Julius can't hurt them and thus mire like stalemate and stamina until Julius begins to lose magic in the end.

As for Captains, don't seem them getting passed Awakening Logias, Zoan, and Paramecias combine with Haki that was strong enough to even deflect's Whitebeard's Quake DF. They are more hax than BC Team and Kizaru can keep up with Julius if ge wants to especially like him and others we never seen them full power in the end compare BC team. Plus if they destroy their books it leaves them more helpless.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#13
Though without Haki, Julius can't hurt them and thus mire like stalemate and stamina until Julius begins to lose magic in the end.

As for Captains, don't seem them getting passed Awakening Logias, Zoan, and Paramecias combine with Haki that was strong enough to even deflect's Whitebeard's Quake DF. They are more hax than BC Team and Kizaru can keep up with Julius if ge wants to especially like him and others we never seen them full power in the end compare BC team. Plus if they destroy their books it leaves them more helpless.
Intangibility is off. This is like the third time I told you that.

Julius can control the time in a given area and his time capsules and instantly take their lives. Julius moves faster than light. Kizaru at most can move at LS, Julius goes beyond that.

Here is Patri, known as Licht during that time

Light magic user, attacks at light speed

here Yami notes he got even faster

Yami still manages to block and counterattack


Yami has his own kind of FS


Yami can draw in Kizaru's attacks



This was just Yami


Let's move on to Julius

Julius easily blocking the attack and capturing it



Julius also has his own kind of FS



He can rewind time and heal himself



Patri attacks from behind, Julius casually appears behind him




Julius moves faster than LS in those panels



Here Julius redirects his attack and SPEEDS it up



Patri someone who witnessed the first ME Lumiere and Licht was wondering what the hell Julius is and saying that Julius is holding back on him



Again Julius appearing behind Patri before he can react



Patri admitting he cannot kill Julius


This is what Julius can do




Moves faster than the eye can see from someone who can react to Gauche and Asta



Julius moves faster than light speed. That's the point.

Kizaru caps at light speed.
 
#14
BC team takes it, they have far better hax and are faster.
Brute force doesn't mean jackshit against proper hax; even streetlevel characters would win against Planet Busters with the right hax and speed.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#15
BC team takes it, they have far better hax and are faster.
Brute force doesn't mean jackshit against proper hax; even streetlevel characters would win against Planet Busters with the right hax and speed.
Exactly.

I am just laughing here because Moe voted for the OP team before asking me who the C3 are.
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#16
Patri attacks from behind, Julius casually appears behind him
Men Julius is fucking op, dude literally is the better hokage then Naruto
:gokulaugh:

But Julius is kinda op, dude is faster then lightspeed and having time manipulation in a another lvl. He even pass his own dead and come back, I feeling like he didnΒ΄t even fight seriously overall against Licht, as he know that Asta change later the mind of Licht.^^
Yhwach vs Julius would be really interessting fight to see.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#17
Men Julius is fucking op, dude literally is the better hokage then Naruto
:gokulaugh:

But Julius is kinda op, dude is faster then lightspeed and having time manipulation in a another lvl. He even pass his own dead and come back, I feeling like he didnΒ΄t even fight seriously overall against Licht, as he know that Asta change later the mind of Licht.^^
Yhwach vs Julius would be really interessting fight to see.
Julius is very very op. The mangaka had to make him less op now, so that he cannot be a deus ex machina everytime.


I haven't read Bleach to the end, I heard about Yhwach and a bit of what he can do, but someone else is gonna be needed here to give their thoughts on them.
 
#18
I haven't read Bleach to the end, I heard about Yhwach and a bit of what he can do, but someone else is gonna be needed here to give their thoughts on them.
Yhwach ability:
AuswΓ€hlen: The extension of Yhwach's abilities to distribute portions of his soul, which he utilized after being sealed for 990 years to regain the power that he had lost. After selecting whichever Quincies he deems appropriate for absorption, typically choosing the "impure", Yhwach can absorb their power and retake his soul, killing his victims in the process. This power can thus be redistributed to whichever Quincies Yhwach deems more useful, reviving those that have died.

AuswΓ€hlen takes the form of a beam of light that consumes its targets, though some have been lucky enough to survive. Even those that dodge the light lose their powers, including the ability to use VollstΓ€ndig. Reishi barriers cannot stop AuswΓ€hlen at all, as the power it transfers is raw energy. The Quincies who are affected by the AuswΓ€hlen have a clot of "Still Silver" formed in their heart that will briefly strip away Yhwach's powers if it comes into contact with him.


  • Absorption: Yhwach can consume other beings on contact, gaining their powers and abilities and drawing their own existence into his body to subjugate them. He can near instantly absorb those weaker than him, but those that are stronger take longer and longer amounts of time.
  • Sankt Altar: Yhwach summons five orbs of Reishi, which he transports to around his opponent, at which point they all fire a beam of energy at their target, forming the shape of a Quincy Zeichen. Those who are caught in the blast have all their power stripped away by Yhwach.
  • Self-Power Restoration: Even if Yhwach's physical or spiritual capabilities are hampered or somehow negated by his opponent, he can restore them. For example, when IchibΔ“'s curse prevented him from speaking, Yhwach was able to regain the power of speech by digging his fingers into his throat and channeling Reishi inside, and after his power was cut in half by IchibΔ“'s Zanpakutō, he was able to restore it by summoning and absorbing ribbons of Reishi inscribed with Roman letters.
Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, Yhwach can manipulate and shape Reishi by absorbing it from the atmosphere and combining it with his own stock of spiritual energy. It is easier to collect this energy in locations with higher concentrations of Reishi, such as the Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. Yhwach's control over Reishi is exceptional, allowing him to easily shape and solidify it as he pleases, creating an intricate throne and later a staircase.
Blut Vene Anhaben


  • Blut: An advanced Quincy technique that works by pumping Reishi into the user's blood vessels, reinforcing either their strength or durability to exceptional levels. There exists a defensive and offensive form of Blut, but only one can be used at a time.
    • Blut Arterie: Blut's offensive form, the technique that allows Quincies to physically match and injure Bankai users.
    • Blut Vene: Blut's defensive form, which makes its use clear in the form of a glowing trail that traces the user's blood vessels, which appears only when the enhanced area is struck. When consciously maintained at full power, Blut Vene can even negate the attacks of a Bankai user. It can also be used to stop the user's blood flow in the event that they are badly injured, preventing them from bleeding out.
      • Blut Vene Anhaben: Yhwach extends his Blut Vene out from his body to create a powerful forcefield that consumes those around it, breaking down living beings, to fuel and maintain itself.
  • Hirenkyaku: A high-speed Quincy movement technique that functions by riding on a flow of Reishi underneath their feet. A master of the technique, Yhwach is capable of easily catching the likes of Yamamoto off-guard, keep up with IchibΔ“, and overwhelm Ichigo.

Kirchenlied: Sankt Zwinger


  • Kirchenlied: Sankt Zwinger: An incredibly powerful Quincy spell, the greatest in both offensive and defensive power. After generating several constructs inscribed with Roman numerals, Yhwach can manifest several columns of Reishi shaped like the Quincy Cross around him, which burst from the ground, tearing apart any caught in the "light of God".
  • Ransōtengai: A highly advanced Quincy technique that lets the user control their own body with strings of Reiryoku connected to their brain. Thanks to this ability, even if the user is paralyzed or so badly injured that they cannot move normally, they can force their body to move by controlling it as if it were a marionette.

The Sankt Bogen


  • Sankt Bogen: Yhwach's Spirit Weapon, an immense bow that he can manifest in his hands or somewhere in his surroundings, using it to fire at his opponents with similarly large arrows.
    • Heilig Pfeil: The primary form of attack for Quincies, spiritual energy manifested as arrows and fired from the Sankt Bogen, or in Yhwach's case, even just from his fingertips. He can fire them as a rapid-fire barrage capable of completely obliterating a foe in short order.
    • Reishi Broadsword: Yhwach can fire an immense arrow around his own height from the Sankt Bogen to the ground at his feet, an arrow that will transform into a large, extremely powerful broadsword once he grabs it.
  • Sklaverei: A Quincy technique that allows the user to control Reishi in the most absolute of ways, enslaving it outright. This powerful ability allows them to completely tear apart and dissolve spiritual objects and beings, drawing upon this and even absorbing this Reishi to temporarily gain the abilities of beings destroyed in this way.

Shadow: A teleportation ability used by members of the Wandenreich, this technique can be used by manifesting the user's shadows in front of them, creating a portal that acts as a gate between the Schatten Bereich and other dimensions. The size of these portals can be extended to allow many others to pass through.

And his most important ability which make him very op:
The Almighty: Yhwach's own power and the source of his designation as "A". Upon activation, Yhwach gains his full power and his irises and pupils are split in two. Had he opened his eyes once in the 999 years after his original defeat, during which it took 900 for merely his heart to start beating again and another 90 to regain self-awareness, he would've been unable to control his own power and accidentally stolen the lives of all his loyal Sternritter.

The power of the Almighty is to see all that lies in the future, observing all possible futures like grains of sand in the wind, the knowledge that Yhwach uses to predict his opponent's actions and act accordingly. However, this is only a portion of its true power, which is the ability to outright choose between the futures that lie before him, rewriting fate as he pleases to best suit his goals. Yhwach can use this power to set up traps in his opponent's future paths, easily circumvent any defensive measures his opponent takes, and shatter their weapons and forms, breaking Tensa Zangetsu and claiming to have destroyed all the Bankai in the future. He can even rewrite a future in which he has died, and it is said that any power that Yhwach sees in the future will become his ally and grow incapable of harming him at all.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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Yhwach ability:
AuswΓ€hlen: The extension of Yhwach's abilities to distribute portions of his soul, which he utilized after being sealed for 990 years to regain the power that he had lost. After selecting whichever Quincies he deems appropriate for absorption, typically choosing the "impure", Yhwach can absorb their power and retake his soul, killing his victims in the process. This power can thus be redistributed to whichever Quincies Yhwach deems more useful, reviving those that have died.

AuswΓ€hlen takes the form of a beam of light that consumes its targets, though some have been lucky enough to survive. Even those that dodge the light lose their powers, including the ability to use VollstΓ€ndig. Reishi barriers cannot stop AuswΓ€hlen at all, as the power it transfers is raw energy. The Quincies who are affected by the AuswΓ€hlen have a clot of "Still Silver" formed in their heart that will briefly strip away Yhwach's powers if it comes into contact with him.


  • Absorption: Yhwach can consume other beings on contact, gaining their powers and abilities and drawing their own existence into his body to subjugate them. He can near instantly absorb those weaker than him, but those that are stronger take longer and longer amounts of time.
  • Sankt Altar: Yhwach summons five orbs of Reishi, which he transports to around his opponent, at which point they all fire a beam of energy at their target, forming the shape of a Quincy Zeichen. Those who are caught in the blast have all their power stripped away by Yhwach.
  • Self-Power Restoration: Even if Yhwach's physical or spiritual capabilities are hampered or somehow negated by his opponent, he can restore them. For example, when IchibΔ“'s curse prevented him from speaking, Yhwach was able to regain the power of speech by digging his fingers into his throat and channeling Reishi inside, and after his power was cut in half by IchibΔ“'s Zanpakutō, he was able to restore it by summoning and absorbing ribbons of Reishi inscribed with Roman letters.
Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, Yhwach can manipulate and shape Reishi by absorbing it from the atmosphere and combining it with his own stock of spiritual energy. It is easier to collect this energy in locations with higher concentrations of Reishi, such as the Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. Yhwach's control over Reishi is exceptional, allowing him to easily shape and solidify it as he pleases, creating an intricate throne and later a staircase.
Blut Vene Anhaben


  • Blut: An advanced Quincy technique that works by pumping Reishi into the user's blood vessels, reinforcing either their strength or durability to exceptional levels. There exists a defensive and offensive form of Blut, but only one can be used at a time.
    • Blut Arterie: Blut's offensive form, the technique that allows Quincies to physically match and injure Bankai users.
    • Blut Vene: Blut's defensive form, which makes its use clear in the form of a glowing trail that traces the user's blood vessels, which appears only when the enhanced area is struck. When consciously maintained at full power, Blut Vene can even negate the attacks of a Bankai user. It can also be used to stop the user's blood flow in the event that they are badly injured, preventing them from bleeding out.
      • Blut Vene Anhaben: Yhwach extends his Blut Vene out from his body to create a powerful forcefield that consumes those around it, breaking down living beings, to fuel and maintain itself.
  • Hirenkyaku: A high-speed Quincy movement technique that functions by riding on a flow of Reishi underneath their feet. A master of the technique, Yhwach is capable of easily catching the likes of Yamamoto off-guard, keep up with IchibΔ“, and overwhelm Ichigo.

Kirchenlied: Sankt Zwinger


  • Kirchenlied: Sankt Zwinger: An incredibly powerful Quincy spell, the greatest in both offensive and defensive power. After generating several constructs inscribed with Roman numerals, Yhwach can manifest several columns of Reishi shaped like the Quincy Cross around him, which burst from the ground, tearing apart any caught in the "light of God".
  • Ransōtengai: A highly advanced Quincy technique that lets the user control their own body with strings of Reiryoku connected to their brain. Thanks to this ability, even if the user is paralyzed or so badly injured that they cannot move normally, they can force their body to move by controlling it as if it were a marionette.

The Sankt Bogen


  • Sankt Bogen: Yhwach's Spirit Weapon, an immense bow that he can manifest in his hands or somewhere in his surroundings, using it to fire at his opponents with similarly large arrows.
    • Heilig Pfeil: The primary form of attack for Quincies, spiritual energy manifested as arrows and fired from the Sankt Bogen, or in Yhwach's case, even just from his fingertips. He can fire them as a rapid-fire barrage capable of completely obliterating a foe in short order.
    • Reishi Broadsword: Yhwach can fire an immense arrow around his own height from the Sankt Bogen to the ground at his feet, an arrow that will transform into a large, extremely powerful broadsword once he grabs it.
  • Sklaverei: A Quincy technique that allows the user to control Reishi in the most absolute of ways, enslaving it outright. This powerful ability allows them to completely tear apart and dissolve spiritual objects and beings, drawing upon this and even absorbing this Reishi to temporarily gain the abilities of beings destroyed in this way.

Shadow: A teleportation ability used by members of the Wandenreich, this technique can be used by manifesting the user's shadows in front of them, creating a portal that acts as a gate between the Schatten Bereich and other dimensions. The size of these portals can be extended to allow many others to pass through.

And his most important ability which make him very op:
The Almighty: Yhwach's own power and the source of his designation as "A". Upon activation, Yhwach gains his full power and his irises and pupils are split in two. Had he opened his eyes once in the 999 years after his original defeat, during which it took 900 for merely his heart to start beating again and another 90 to regain self-awareness, he would've been unable to control his own power and accidentally stolen the lives of all his loyal Sternritter.

The power of the Almighty is to see all that lies in the future, observing all possible futures like grains of sand in the wind, the knowledge that Yhwach uses to predict his opponent's actions and act accordingly. However, this is only a portion of its true power, which is the ability to outright choose between the futures that lie before him, rewriting fate as he pleases to best suit his goals. Yhwach can use this power to set up traps in his opponent's future paths, easily circumvent any defensive measures his opponent takes, and shatter their weapons and forms, breaking Tensa Zangetsu and claiming to have destroyed all the Bankai in the future. He can even rewrite a future in which he has died, and it is said that any power that Yhwach sees in the future will become his ally and grow incapable of harming him at all.
This is very op. Damn. It must have been some ass pull to beat him.
 
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