Character Discussion How would you fill if none of the supernovas were given credit in taking down Kaido even though they will do most of the work?

#29
How is it baseless? If Luffy can do to Kaido what he did to Doffy he would be on Kaido's level, maybe little bit weaker.
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The newspapers will read 'Worst Gen topple the old era!'

The main stars will be Luffy and Blackbeard, cause Blackbeard is up to some serious shit after the Reverie.

The others will get the credit they deserve which is less than Luffy.
Ok, but would it bad for Luffy's character if Oda gives all the credit to him? He loves to do it all the time.
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I wouldn't feel surprised at all, of all the Supernovas Luffy and the Straw Hats are the ones who get the royal treatment.
Yes, but that makes Luffy look bad and it's extremely unfair towards supernovas.
 
#30
How is it baseless? If Luffy can do to Kaido what he did to Doffy he would be on Kaido's level, maybe little bit weaker.
Luffy has no chance of beating DD solo without Law.
Luffy has no chance of beating Kaidou without help.

Would Luffy have a chance against DD without GK seriously hindering DD´s durability and endurance? Nope. Even if you argue that G4 was stronger than DD physically, ultimately Luffy would not have any chance to finish the fight in 20 minutes against a fresh DD with Awakening and then he would be a goner.

And while the circumstances in regards to Kaidou are different, since Kaidou is exposed, the premise is the same. Kaidou needs to be handicapped, so that Luffy can do most of the work. But he would still get shared credit just like with DD.

And Luffy being a high diff fight for Kaidou with AdCoA, FS and so on is not far-fetched.
 
#31
Luffy has no chance of beating DD solo without Law.
Luffy has no chance of beating Kaidou without help.

Would Luffy have a chance against DD without GK seriously hindering DD´s durability and endurance? Nope. Even if you argue that G4 was stronger than DD physically, ultimately Luffy would not have any chance to finish the fight in 20 minutes against a fresh DD with Awakening and then he would be a goner.

And while the circumstances in regards to Kaidou are different, since Kaidou is exposed, the premise is the same. Kaidou needs to be handicapped, so that Luffy can do most of the work. But he would still get shared credit just like with DD.

And Luffy being a high diff fight for Kaidou with AdCoA, FS and so on is not far-fetched.
Dude you don't get it, I'm not saying Luffy could defeat Doffy by himself, I'm saying that the gap between Luffy and Doffy was insanely small which allowed him to do most of the work. Wano is different, the gap between Kaido and Luffy is bag, very big.
 
#32
Dude you don't get it, I'm not saying Luffy could defeat Doffy by himself, I'm saying that the gap between Luffy and Doffy was insanely small which allowed him to do most of the work. Wano is different, the gap between Kaido and Luffy is bag, very big.
I do get it, you are not getting my answer.
If the gap between fresh Luffy and Doffy was that small, Luffy would always have a chance of winning.
HE didn´t though, hence the gap was not small, easy.

Like i said, that´s also baseless, unless we think Luffy is still his chapter 923 self and can´t give Kaidou a mid/high diff fight, something you can´t possibly know right now.
 
#33
The newspaper will just say something like, “New Generation topple the Old generation.” Luffy, Kidd, and maybe Law will be the main stars to the outside world. I doubt Oda will pull the same bs of giving Luffy all the credit 2 arcs in a row.
 
#38
Doffy couldn't even damage gear 4th Luffy, the gap between Luffy and Doffy was insanely small. For Luffy to have the same scenario as in Dressrosa then he should be (even for some small period of time) on the same level as Kaido or some other Emperor.
The only thing Kaido has over Luffy atm is his skin. Luffy owns him in everything else. Strength, speed, Haki.

Like do people forget Luffy has Top Tier strength + Top Tier Haki? Dude has the strongest offence in OP right now, probably tied with Akainu.

Doffy without Bellamy had no chance of beating Luffy either
Yes, because Bellamy controls Gear 4's time limit. Shut up dude.

Bellamy is a straight up fodder who is weaker than Dellinger. The fact that you think he's a factor shows how stupidly biased you are.

The bottom line is that the gap between Luffy and Doffy was ridiculously small.
It was so small that even after Law nerfed him with Gamma Knife, Luffy had all of Dressrosa hiding him like he was Anne Franke or something.

Doffy was a 50/50 job between 2 Top Supernova. Kaido is like that + Kid. But Luffy has risen so much above those two, that he'll take most of the credit unlike DR.
 
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