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No shit Captain Obvious.
This is about Killer going all out against Zoro and potentially Kaido...Learn to pay attention
I thought the argument started because some thought Killer couldn't be stronger than Sanji bc he got bodied by Zoro, to which my reply is trying to infer that Zoro beating Killer doesn't necessarily mean the latter isn't stronger than Sanji.

But if that wasn't the point of discourse then my bad. :endthis:
 
Yes because he was injured prior, and those injuries wouldve been more prior. No different to Zoro running away from Gifters because any injuries he gets from them could affect his performance with Kaido. But it seems yall read with the brightness off.

The condition of sucess was to stop Vergo from attacking Tashigi. Guess what Sanji did that....and Vergo ran away.
He didn't run until he had to carry Luffy. The comparison to Sanji's actions don't work because you're doing apples to oranges.

Zoro had a clear objective and succeeded. Sanji had only what concerned him, not an objective. By that logic all Usopp cared about was him and Nami surviving the dinosaurs so that's a success too lol

And how does that take anything away from the fact that Apoo brought Zoro to his knees.
Because being hurt and being out of a fight are entirely different things. By your own logic Sanji's completely his dad's bitch because he couldn't handle blocking that attack, and he has just enough left to be passed around as a bitch to the gifters who hit him cleanly.
 
It's not about what he got, but how he got them.

Imagine Zoro was absolute the same after the timeskip, but during the timeskip instead of being trained by Mihawk he got trained by a random ass gag character, like Hyouzou, even if Zoro was still strong and got all that shit during training, nobody would respect his training from a dude like that when Luffy got trained by the right hand man of Roger himself.

So that's what happens with Sanji, Zoro gets to train with the World Strongest Swordsman and Shank's Rival, Luffy gets to train with Dark King Rayleigh, and what Sanji gets? a bunch of Okama trying to sexually harass him while he keeps running away for two years...

And the worst part is that this fucking time with the Okamas is the setup for all the nose bleed sickness shit later on
And what of Zoro ?

Begging his rival to make him stronger, making his dream absoultely pointless, etc. Id take gags then have someone give Sanji directions to the All Blue. Zoro's training was absolutely humilaiting. Even had Mihawk laughing at how stupid it was.

And who Iva was ever Sanji's teacher. It was never lamented as such. Sanji's training was to survive Kamabaka.....not to be trained by Iva.
 
It's not about what he got, but how he got them.

Imagine Zoro was absolute the same after the timeskip, but during the timeskip instead of being trained by Mihawk he got trained by a random ass gag character, like Hyouzou, even if Zoro was still strong and got all that shit during training, nobody would respect his training from a dude like that when Luffy got trained by the right hand man of Roger himself.

So that's what happens with Sanji, Zoro gets to train with the World Strongest Swordsman and Shank's Rival, Luffy gets to train with Dark King Rayleigh, and what Sanji gets? a bunch of Okama trying to sexually harass him while he keeps running away for two years...

And the worst part is that this fucking time with the Okamas is the setup for all the nose bleed sickness shit later on
Not to mention the horrible gag that was the death threatening nosebleed.

The anime delivered the killing blow by straight up turn him into an Okama for a short while.
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And what of Zoro ?

Begging his rival to make him stronger, making his dream absoultely pointless, etc. Id take gags then have someone give Sanji directions to the All Blue. Zoro's training was absolutely humilaiting. Even had Mihawk laughing at how stupid it was.

And who Iva was ever Sanji's teacher. It was never lamented as such. Sanji's training was to survive Kamabaka.....not to be trained by Iva.
Dude, if you saw that as "Zoro's Humiliation" you're really dumb, that's literally one of the best character developments of Zoro.

He accepts he isn't strong enough yet, he's goal is to become the worlds strongest swordsman, not already be one. He accepted his weakness and he also started respecting Luffy's dream above his own, he showed that back in Thriller Bark, so he doesn't care if its "shameful" to ask for Mihawk for training, because he knows that's how he will get stronger so he can not only achieve his dream, but most importantly he will help Luffy achieve his.
 

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I thought the argument started because some thought Killer couldn't be stronger than Sanji bc he got bodied by Zoro, to which my reply is trying to infer that Zoro beating Killer doesn't necessarily mean the latter isn't stronger than Sanji.

But if that wasn't the point of discourse then my bad. :endthis:
It's all good my bro :smoothy:



but I still think Sanji >>>> Killer & Kidd
 
And what of Zoro ?

Begging his rival to make him stronger, making his dream absoultely pointless, etc. Id take gags then have someone give Sanji directions to the All Blue. Zoro's training was absolutely humilaiting. Even had Mihawk laughing at how stupid it was.

And who Iva was ever Sanji's teacher. It was never lamented as such. Sanji's training was to survive Kamabaka.....not to be trained by Iva.
Zoro willing to tarnish his dream for Luffy, while Sanji almost left him to starve in BM's territory, only giving food to Luffy because he got hearthbroken by Punding, if she ate that Bento Luffy would have been killed.
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