Powers & Abilities Zoro : The Dark Horse of One Piece ?
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Ok. History lesson time.
When Sanji went with Bege, he was planning to go over there, tell the Vinsmokes to go fuck themselves and get out of there and come back.
Then, he got trapped. They put the bracelets on him, and said they would kill Zeff.
He made cake, because Big Mom is a yonko, and none of them at the time could do shit against her. Most Jinbei did was get one hit on her which didn't do shit. She was still at them. The cake, and sending her away after it, was the best chance they had, especially because they needed to stall, because Luffy was fightning Katakuri and said was coming back at some pre determined time. There you have it. Hope you now correctly remember the events from WCI.
When Sanji went with Bege, he was planning to go over there, tell the Vinsmokes to go fuck themselves and get out of there and come back.
Then, he got trapped. They put the bracelets on him, and said they would kill Zeff.
He made cake, because Big Mom is a yonko, and none of them at the time could do shit against her. Most Jinbei did was get one hit on her which didn't do shit. She was still at them. The cake, and sending her away after it, was the best chance they had, especially because they needed to stall, because Luffy was fightning Katakuri and said was coming back at some pre determined time. There you have it. Hope you now correctly remember the events from WCI.
Dude, do you know how dumb this sounds? How is Zoro going to beat a guy who no diffed Sanji and pushed Luffy/Law to extreme diff?
That moment was used to INTRODUCE FUJITORA AS AN ENEMY, because Luffy was looking at them too. It has nothing to do with Zoro.
Yeah we can see by their bounties how equal they've been portrayed. Zoro has the 4th highest bounty in the crew.
That moment was used to INTRODUCE FUJITORA AS AN ENEMY, because Luffy was looking at them too. It has nothing to do with Zoro.
Yeah we can see by their bounties how equal they've been portrayed. Zoro has the 4th highest bounty in the crew.
And how sanji and law's performances means anything to Zoro ? It's not like they are equal. Zoro's strenght doesn't depend on them but on Zoro.
Doffy didn't pushed law to extreme, he destroyed him in 1 vs 1, same as Sanji.
Again if Zoro would be no diffed by Doffy like Sanji, what Zoro is gonna go against Kaido and BM ?
About the second paragraph, basically you are allied with a human trafic dealer, you hate him af but you will go to help him when he is in trouble ? Lol make sense. Tell me why Oda brought Fujitora there if Doffy was gonna do the Sanji/law treatment to Zoro ? Because Oda doesn't want to disappoint Zoro fans ? how sweet he is really
Doffy didn't pushed law to extreme, he destroyed him in 1 vs 1, same as Sanji.
Again if Zoro would be no diffed by Doffy like Sanji, what Zoro is gonna go against Kaido and BM ?
About the second paragraph, basically you are allied with a human trafic dealer, you hate him af but you will go to help him when he is in trouble ? Lol make sense. Tell me why Oda brought Fujitora there if Doffy was gonna do the Sanji/law treatment to Zoro ? Because Oda doesn't want to disappoint Zoro fans ? how sweet he is really
Yes, he was fault into trap but why he didnt explain it to their nakamas? No it's better attacked your captain and left him still pudin cheated you.
Yes big mom it's stronger than sanji but we don't talk big mom with all her power we talk weak bm who was too weak than chopper could stop her so why sanji didnt make cake which only was done bm recovered all her power
Yes big mom it's stronger than sanji but we don't talk big mom with all her power we talk weak bm who was too weak than chopper could stop her so why sanji didnt make cake which only was done bm recovered all her power
I agree with a lot of what is said in this thread, though it's telling that some of the conclusions drawn come from someone who favors Zoro as a character.
There's a 1 - 2 - 3 dynamic instead of just a 1 - 2 dynamic overall within the crew.
The 1 is Luffy, he get's pretty much everything in the story. Beats the big bad, part of all the cool groups , gets many many fights, etc.
The 2 is Zoro. He get's some of the things the 1 get's in the story. Is part of some of the cool groups but not all ( not a D. for example ), gets many fights but less than 1, doesn't defeat the big bad, and so on. He get's highlited as the last line of defense for Luffy in arcs like Loguetown or Thriller Bark, and is his FM.
The 3 is Sanji. He get's just some of the things the 2 get's in the story. He is not part of the cool groups like the WG, get's less fights, and in the main arcs usually defeats opponents somewhat comparable to the 2, while both of their opponents are much weaker than the 1. He is highlighted as the last line of defense for Luffy in arcs like Loguetown and Thriller back, but in those instances Zoro is pushed one step forward as Luffy's FM.
So the premise of Zoro being a Dark Horse does work out, depending on how far you want to run with it.
I'm only bringing Sanji into this because :
1. I do believe this dynamic is important to be acknowledged because it better informs the status of these characters, Zoro included.
2. Many tend to use the notions presented in this thread against Sanji or as proof that there's something different or changing about Sanji's status, when that's simply not the case.
It's only a matter of knowing everyones place and role in the crew, and why some of the characters getting more than the others is natural, was always the case, and does not mean that this well known dynamic is changing or will ever change for random reasons.
You can even pick it up from something as simple as the panel time Oda gives them, Top 3 in the crew for Wano
With Luffy getting about 1000 panels , Zoro about 500 and Sanji about 300.
It really doesn't take a genius to see what Oda's doing with these characters. There are arcs where some shine more and others shine less, but he's consistent with giving them spotlight and highlighting their significance when compared to the rest of the crew.
He even went as far as to have Sanji and Zoro get significant focus in the two consecutive Yonko arcs he has constructed for the Yonko Saga. It takes either a fool or a disingenuous person to say that these characters are not important for Oda and the story he is writting.
So back i go to this arc where Zoro is the main focus, and Zoro's main focus in general is combat, so i'm not going to be too harsh with anyone expecting the world from him. He's certainly going to do a lot, Oda will do him justice.
I look forward to him defeating a Yonko First Mate in 1 vs 1 combat, and proving Kaido wrong that no other Samurai like Oden will ever be born by opening his old scar
There's a 1 - 2 - 3 dynamic instead of just a 1 - 2 dynamic overall within the crew.
The 1 is Luffy, he get's pretty much everything in the story. Beats the big bad, part of all the cool groups , gets many many fights, etc.
The 2 is Zoro. He get's some of the things the 1 get's in the story. Is part of some of the cool groups but not all ( not a D. for example ), gets many fights but less than 1, doesn't defeat the big bad, and so on. He get's highlited as the last line of defense for Luffy in arcs like Loguetown or Thriller Bark, and is his FM.
The 3 is Sanji. He get's just some of the things the 2 get's in the story. He is not part of the cool groups like the WG, get's less fights, and in the main arcs usually defeats opponents somewhat comparable to the 2, while both of their opponents are much weaker than the 1. He is highlighted as the last line of defense for Luffy in arcs like Loguetown and Thriller back, but in those instances Zoro is pushed one step forward as Luffy's FM.
So the premise of Zoro being a Dark Horse does work out, depending on how far you want to run with it.
I'm only bringing Sanji into this because :
1. I do believe this dynamic is important to be acknowledged because it better informs the status of these characters, Zoro included.
2. Many tend to use the notions presented in this thread against Sanji or as proof that there's something different or changing about Sanji's status, when that's simply not the case.
It's only a matter of knowing everyones place and role in the crew, and why some of the characters getting more than the others is natural, was always the case, and does not mean that this well known dynamic is changing or will ever change for random reasons.
You can even pick it up from something as simple as the panel time Oda gives them, Top 3 in the crew for Wano
With Luffy getting about 1000 panels , Zoro about 500 and Sanji about 300.
It really doesn't take a genius to see what Oda's doing with these characters. There are arcs where some shine more and others shine less, but he's consistent with giving them spotlight and highlighting their significance when compared to the rest of the crew.
He even went as far as to have Sanji and Zoro get significant focus in the two consecutive Yonko arcs he has constructed for the Yonko Saga. It takes either a fool or a disingenuous person to say that these characters are not important for Oda and the story he is writting.
So back i go to this arc where Zoro is the main focus, and Zoro's main focus in general is combat, so i'm not going to be too harsh with anyone expecting the world from him. He's certainly going to do a lot, Oda will do him justice.
I look forward to him defeating a Yonko First Mate in 1 vs 1 combat, and proving Kaido wrong that no other Samurai like Oden will ever be born by opening his old scar
Do y'all realize Zoro is really on the roof??? The only way he gets out is if he CUTs or KILLs Kaido. Either way that's the downfall of an EMPEROR at the hands of Zoro. And Big Mom at the hands of Luffy.
Sanji fans HATE to see it. There is no more debating anymore. Orochi (if alive) will be taken out by each the OG scabbards (since they're all down D. stairs). No more Zoro v Orochi, Kyoshiro, Kanjuro, WsW, Queen. Every prediction Zoro haters made were incorrect.
It's inevitable that Zoro will leave Wano with a Big Bag. That 330M, 438M bounty Sanji, Jinbei got was not for nothing. Oda realistically bouta give Zoro a Big Bag Bounty around 1.7B - 2B (based on Luffy prior bounties + clout).
This dude leaving Wano with Nidai, Enma Blacked Out, and Wado, having killed/cut Kaido (haki boost), at around Admiral Level. And Luffy @ Yonko Level.
:cheers:
To end, in the words of Eiichiro Oda: "Don't speak Ill of Zoro"
Sanji fans HATE to see it. There is no more debating anymore. Orochi (if alive) will be taken out by each the OG scabbards (since they're all down D. stairs). No more Zoro v Orochi, Kyoshiro, Kanjuro, WsW, Queen. Every prediction Zoro haters made were incorrect.
It's inevitable that Zoro will leave Wano with a Big Bag. That 330M, 438M bounty Sanji, Jinbei got was not for nothing. Oda realistically bouta give Zoro a Big Bag Bounty around 1.7B - 2B (based on Luffy prior bounties + clout).
This dude leaving Wano with Nidai, Enma Blacked Out, and Wado, having killed/cut Kaido (haki boost), at around Admiral Level. And Luffy @ Yonko Level.
:cheers:To end, in the words of Eiichiro Oda: "Don't speak Ill of Zoro"