One Piece Chapter 959 Spoilers Discussion

[MonsterZoro]

6 h before we can see zoro cutted a coastline to warn sanji .

Sanji respect wano he will not go around cutting off ancient and sacred land just to test his strength. If Sanji truly wanted to test out his raid suit than wano will no longer exists.Sanji had no choice but to go 1% off his strength against Page one due to the threat he posseses. Just that 1% of his power wiped out a city block and made a huge explosion that shocked Franky Law and Ussop. Where as Zoro has no respect and goes around cutting down trees and cliffs.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The sword rayleigh uses versus kizaru is also different from the one he had in his prime
Interesting

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[MonsterZoro]

The sword rayleigh uses versus kizaru is also different from the one he had in his prime
Interesting

vs

because his sword broke when he fought scopper gaben

same will happen to Zoro when he pisses off sanji

 

[HA001]

The sword rayleigh uses versus kizaru is also different from the one he had in his prime
Interesting

vs

His son broke it when he surpassed him and left him stranded when hatchi saved ray.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I am really looking at the possibility of ray's orginal blade being black as well.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Zoro ; calm down we can't lose sanji and Nice warning to him i can remember when he saw you cutted the coastline with enma without your intention he made a face like momo who was ahead of him .

Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji?😂
Was prolly Sanji provoking Zoro with the stuff about his bounty & both got into a skirmish resulting in side of the cliff getting cleaved again but let’s ignore the obvious & say Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji instead to satisfy our head canon

There's also a chance swordmanship was roger's main fighting style
:yasu:
why are people avoiding that?

Maybe but again, I very much doubt that. We’re still yet to see a fight with Roger, where he was proper going at it so we can only speculate about his fighting style atm. We however do know for certain tho, that the sword wasn’t his only weapon of choice. So did he fight primarily with a gun? a sword? or both? I think the later is the more likely than saying he was primarily a swordsman or a gunner.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji?😂
Was prolly Sanji provoking Zoro with the stuff about his bounty & both got into a skirmish resulting in side of the cliff getting cleaved again but let’s ignore the obvious & say Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji instead to satisfy our head canon instead


Maybe but again, I very much doubt that. We’re still yet to see a fight with Roger, where he was proper going at it so we can only speculate about his fighting style atm. We however do know for certain tho, that the sword wasn’t his only weapon of choice. So did he fight primarily with a gun? a sword? or both? I think the later is the more likely than saying he was primarily a swordsman or a gunner.

you do know both could be true
sanji mocked zoro and zoro responded by trying to intimidate him
:smithnie:

 

[HA001]

Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji?😂
Was prolly Sanji provoking Zoro with the stuff about his bounty & both got into a skirmish resulting in side of the cliff getting cleaved again but let’s ignore the obvious & say Zoro cut the cliff to warn Sanji instead to satisfy our head canon


Maybe but again, I very much doubt that. We’re still yet to see a fight with Roger, where he was proper going at it so we can only speculate about his fighting style atm. We however do know for certain tho, that the sword wasn’t his only weapon of choice. So did he fight primarily with a gun? a sword? or both? I think the later is the more likely than saying he was primarily a swordsman or a gunner.

How you talking about headcanon then chatting shit. The coastline is behind zoro sanji is in front of zoro. So hows he aimed in front of him and cut behind ?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

because his sword broke when he fought scopper gaben

same will happen to Zoro when he pisses off sanji

Scopper is the Nami of the crew. He had an axe just like her early concept arts.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

How you talking about headcanon then chatting shit. The coastline is behind zoro sanji is in front of zoro. So hows he aimed in front of him and cut behind ?

The slash bounced off Sanji's koka.

Oh wait...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

 

[Red Dog]

Woooaahh even in gag scene these fanboys still can bring out powerlevel discussion lol

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I guess Zoro cannot be the WSS as well because he also used kicks and his arms in fights

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Zoro has more instances of not using his swords in fights than Ray, and yet he is going to be the WSS. Or maybe Zoro won't be the WSS? Or are you saying that Zoro will be the wss, but there will be people who use swords and are stronger than him?

Too many assumptions here, firstly with the WSS title existing in their era, then who would have it. Unsubstantiated claims as well.


Databooks said that Mihawk and Vista have similar level of swordsmanship but Vista could not compete with Mihawk, meaning that it is not the swordsmanship that plays the only role in it. Fujitora, a df user, was called a blind swordsman, meaning that even using a df does not disqualify one from being a swordsman, Shiryu the same, Kinemon was introduced as a samurai, meaning swordsman. Kuina, whose dream was to be the wss herself stated that her body is too weak, meaning that even if she were more skillful than Mihawk she would not be stronger. Finally, Mihawk's title is the world's strongest swordsman, not the world's most proficient sword user or the sort. The official translator had this to say when being questioned about what the term kenshi (swordsman) means

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Kinemon can cut fire, Zoro cannot. Thus Kinemon has more skill than Zoro. Zoro fights Kinemon. Guess who wins. Hint: It is Zoro. So a more skilled df using swordsman loses against a stronger less skilled non df using swordsman. Is Kinemon a better candidate for the WSS than Zoro? I'd say no.

Not really sure how that first example with Dellinger helps to support your point of Zoro fighting with martial arts or rather fighting without his sword 😓

The second example you have is the best instance you gave to support your point but even that is still an application of Zoro’s swordsmanship just without his swords.

With the third you’re purposely ignoring the context. That was simply a demonstration of Zoro’s physical strength in relation to Miss Monday (was it?) who was confident in her physical strength. He didn’t actually fight her in the true sense of the word.

I’m not sure any of those examples compare to Rayleigh stopping (admiral) Kizaru’s attack with a kick.

Feel like this is gonna turn into a full blown Mihawk/Zoro discussion so I’d rather avoid that for the good of the thread 🙏🏿

 

[Albino 👑]

My favorite part about spoilers is the part where no one talks about the spoilers and people end up arguing about something related to swords

 

[Kuroemon]

My favorite part about spoilers is the part where no one talks about the spoilers and people end up arguing about something related to swords

Also zoro v sanji discussion when both of them are shown in the panel:yasu:

 

[Finalbeta]

Also zoro v sanji discussion when both of them are shown in the panel:yasu:

You know things are bad when this happens considering it isn't required

 

[Awakening_coming]

doesnt look like roger had a df either, he was killed with wooden cuffs
he isnt swinging that blade like wb swings his bisento

Headcanon. His fighting style is unknown unless you think his crew had only swordsman (Rayleigh, Shanks, Oden, possible Gaban and himself)

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Not really sure how that first example with Dellinger helps to support your point of Zoro fighting with martial arts or rather fighting without his sword 😓

The second example you have is the best instance you gave to support your point but even that is still an application of Zoro’s swordsmanship just without his swords.

With the third you’re purposely ignoring the context. That was simply a demonstration of Zoro’s physical strength in relation to Miss Monday (was it?) who was confident in her physical strength. He didn’t actually fight her in the true sense of the word.

I’m not sure any of those examples compare to Rayleigh stopping (admiral) Kizaru’s attack with a kick.

Feel like this is gonna turn into a full blown Mihawk/Zoro discussion so I’d rather avoid that for the good of the thread 🙏🏿

Is Zoro kicking Delinger with his swords? Rhetorical question btw. You concluded that Ray utilizes martial arts based on him stopping an attack not meant for him with his foot, but Zoro stopping Delinger from kicking Luffy with his foot is not that.

Ray comes in and stops Kizaru with a kick

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The clash is about to begin and then this happens. Ray uses his sword

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And they still continue fighting with swords

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Ray kicked him once and that was enough for you to label him a martial artist, but Zoro who has fought in multiple instances without his swords, and actually used a kick similarly to Ray, is not a martial artist.

I am ignoring the context, but you are calling Ray a martial artist based on one kick and then him continuing to duel Kizaru using his sword. But I am ignoring the context.

Miss Monday attacked Zoro, hit him, he got up and did what he did

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This is not a real fight for you, but Ray kicking Kizaru in one panel is enough of a fight for you to conclude that Ray is a martial artist? How so?

You are comparing their strengths, not what they did. Ray stopped an attack not meant for him, but rather for a dying Zoro with a kick, and when things got serious and he had to engage Kizaru in a fight he used his sword. Ray kicking Kizaru's attack is not a fight. When the fight started Ray used his sword.

The points you gave are contradicted by the manga and a bit hypocritical. One panel of Ray kicking an attack not meant for him was enough for you to conclude that he is a martial artist, even though he later used his sword, but when Zoro does the same and more, it is somehow different.

Sure, just don't go around claiming unsubstantiated and absurd things and we won't have a problem.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Headcanon. His fighting style is unknown unless you think his crew had only swordsman (Rayleigh, Shanks, Oden, possible Gaban and himself)

gabban had an axe
buggy well just buggy
crocus an arrow
roger also carried a gun along with his sword
and I stated probably.

Tho if he did have a fruit he should have been killed with seastone on.

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Not really sure how that first example with Dellinger helps to support your point of Zoro fighting with martial arts or rather fighting without his sword 😓

The second example you have is the best instance you gave to support your point but even that is still an application of Zoro’s swordsmanship just without his swords.

With the third you’re purposely ignoring the context. That was simply a demonstration of Zoro’s physical strength in relation to Miss Monday (was it?) who was confident in her physical strength. He didn’t actually fight her in the true sense of the word.

I’m not sure any of those examples compare to Rayleigh stopping (admiral) Kizaru’s attack with a kick.

Feel like this is gonna turn into a full blown Mihawk/Zoro discussion so I’d rather avoid that for the good of the thread 🙏🏿

"I’m not sure any of those examples compare to Rayleigh stopping (admiral) Kizaru’s attack with a kick. "
:yasu:
"That was simply a demonstration of Zoro’s physical strength in relation to Miss Monday (was it?) who was confident in her physical strength."
ray's was simply a demonstration of haki aka he was able to touch a logia while the sh were not.when they started fighting he went to his sword and commented on how long it has been since he held a blade. see how that works?
Ray probably hasnt held a sword in awhile because he retired. The moment he is tossed into the action its pretty much his go to is what I got from that scene.
funny enough in both dellinger and ray's situation, they use kicks to redirect the attacks of the assailant not to block them.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]