Character Discussion "SaNjI bEtRaYeD LuFfY"

[Seth]

His decision was reckless and stupid.

He didn't know the outcome of this but he clearly didn't believe in Luffy. They were going to wage a war against Yonko anyway. Later he humiliated Luffy in front of Vinsmokes.

But yeah Sanji did nothing wrong and gets a pass because "he always thinks about crew's safety".

Sad that he fucking doubted his captain's abilities and was ready to marry into Yonko family which would only ruin Luffy's road to the Pirate King title.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Not gonna sugar coat it. Anyone who blatantly ignores the execution and the holes in the logic of the entire situation, and pretends everything makes sense and that there are no faults in how certain characters acted despite the context of the entire crew and what they went through several times before, something that should not happen after the timeskip again since it was a display of their unshakable trust in the crew and Luffy as captain, is either woefully ignorant, or flat out stupid or swallows everything Oda "tries" to do, not what he actually does.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Imagine thinking Luffy could even protect baratie, kamabakka , vinsmokes ,

When he himself needed savings form jinbei after being captured lol

The same strahwats who got lucky 5x in the arc, being saved left and right coz they were weak

Nobody sane will even think of trying to act tough in front of a powerful army
He can give up his dream and life to protect his beloved ones.

"But look at wano, they are surviving" yeah having alliance that is way bigger than the one they ever had in their entire piracy life. Even then they can barely even out up a fight against Yonko.

I don't blame Sanji,

"Sanji betrayed the crew"
if BMP showed up on Zou after sanji refused... luffy and co were gonna be captured easily, zou destroyed once again

You guys are crazy

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Not gonna sugar coat it. Anyone who blatantly ignores the context of the situation, and what Oda was going for with the entire Sanji/Big Mom/Luffy/WCI situation is either woefully ignorant, a hater, or flat out stupid and reads One Piece for the "Pictures". I suggest you watch this guys review of the arc and learn some things.

Doesn't change the reality.

What happened was Sanji didn't have faith in Luffy.
Sanji beat the shit out of Luffy.
Sanji disrespected Luffy in front of his great Family.
Sanji was going to stay with Pudding AND give her the Bento Box if she wanted it. Ergo Luffy would starve. DOUBLE WHAMMY, HOORAYY, everyone wins except his very own captain.

Anything I said was wrong?

 

[Chrono]

Not gonna sugar coat it. Anyone who blatantly ignores the context of the situation, and what Oda was going for with the entire Sanji/Big Mom/Luffy/WCI situation is either woefully ignorant, a hater, or flat out stupid and reads One Piece for the "Pictures".

Its only that. But some honestly believe they couldve done a better choice in that scenario or what Sanji did was stupid.


Heres one right now

His decision was reckless and stupid.

He didn't know the outcome of this but he clearly didn't believe in Luffy. They were going to wage a war against Yonko anyway. Later he humiliated Luffy in front of Vinsmokes.

But yeah Sanji did nothing wrong and gets a pass because "he always thinks about crew's safety".

Sad that he fucking doubted his captain's abilities and was ready to marry into Yonko family which would only ruin Luffy's road to the Pirate King title.

In this scenario Sanji only knows of Luffy and Nami, not remotely comparable to the full allaince they have against Kaido. And the threat lvl of Yonkos going down has nothing to do with Sanji's competence. Its Oda manipulating the plot and making them all retarded and useless. Up until that point Sanji was in the most fucked up situation. And proven in the Tea Party, the Meme Pirates would destroy and execute them. Theres no "Beleving in Luffy" bullshit. WCI has shown more than enough that the SHs wouldve gotten killed 4 times if it werent for plot saving their asses. Sanji did the right choice.

 

[Ace]

How dare Sanji not trust Luffy to keep Zeff safe in the east blue

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Doesn't change the reality.

What happened was Sanji didn't have faith in Luffy.
Sanji beat the shit out of Luffy.
Sanji disrespected Luffy in front of his great Family.
Sanji was going to stay with Pudding AND give her the Bento Box if she wanted it. Ergo Luffy would starve. DOUBLE WHAMMY, HOORAYY, everyone wins except his very own captain.

Anything I said was wrong?

If you swap Zoro with Sanji on WCI there wouldn't be any backlash or questioning of the "Decisions Zoro made", and that's the gods honest truth.

 

[Chrono]

Doesn't change the reality.

What happened was Sanji didn't have faith in Luffy.
Sanji beat the shit out of Luffy.
Sanji disrespected Luffy in front of his great Family.
Sanji was going to stay with Pudding AND give her the Bento Box if she wanted it. Ergo Luffy would starve. DOUBLE WHAMMY, HOORAYY, everyone wins except his very own captain.

Anything I said was wrong?

Have faith in a captain that wouldve inevitably gotten them killed ?
Beat the shit out of him so he could leave and survive ?
Like Luffy and Sanji care about the Vins watching them
And Sanji didnt know of Luffy's predicament

Try again

 

[Jo_Ndule]

His decision was reckless and stupid.

He didn't know the outcome of this but he clearly didn't believe in Luffy. They were going to wage a war against Yonko anyway. Later he humiliated Luffy in front of Vinsmokes.

But yeah Sanji did nothing wrong and gets a pass because "he always thinks about crew's safety".

Sad that he fucking doubted his captain's abilities and was ready to marry into Yonko family which would only ruin Luffy's road to the Pirate King title.

At the time pirate mink samurai and ninja alliance wasn't even formed
They couldn't even do much to Yonko
Luffy was fodder to katakuri ... let alone Yonko
The rest couldn't even do much

Dont compare CP or Kuma to Yonko

It's stupid for sanji to refuse and have Zou burned down and strahwats beaten over his family issues.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

If you swap Zoro with Sanji on WCI there wouldn't be any backlash or questioning of the "Decisions Zoro made", and that's the gods honest truth.

I would FLLLLAAAAAME Zoros actions. I’d be even more disappointed, bc Zoro isn’t bitch made

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I would FLLLLAAAAAME Zoros actions. I’d be even more disappointed, bc Zoro isn’t bitch made

You might be in the minority, but I guarantee you there would be 100 people to defend Zoro in the same situation for every 1 Sanji fan out there who defends him.

 

[Seth]

At the time pirate mink samurai and ninja alliance wasn't even formed
They couldn't even do much to Yonko
Luffy was fodder to katakuri ... let alone Yonko
The rest couldn't even do much

Dont compare CP or Kuma to Yonko

It's stupid for sanji to refuse and have Zou burned down and strahwats beaten over his family issues.

Okay but in that case, y'all said that Sanji did a good choice.

He did a good choice by potentially sacrificing the entire plan if Luffy failed to retrieve him? ( ofc he didn't know Luffy would immediately go after him but I'm talking about the result without plot armor ).

 

[HA001]

Okay but in that case, y'all said that Sanji did a good choice.

He did a good choice by potentially sacrificing the entire plan if Luffy failed to retrieve him? ( ofc he didn't know Luffy would immediately go after him but I'm talking about the result without plot armor ).

Why would he think luffy wouldnt go after him after living through ennies lobby.

 

[Chrono]

"Buh....Buh....SaNjI sHouLd'Ve TrusTeD HiS CaPTaIn"

*Sanji trusts his captain*

Result:

In a parallel universe the SHs would be dead.

 

[Seth]

what Sanji did was stupid.

It was. No matter the context. If anything went wrong all of them would be dead and Luffy's road to PK would be over on WCI.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

@Chrono @stealthblack Do you think as Sanji fans Oda fucked up WCI or if it could’ve been better?

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"Buh....Buh....SaNjI sHouLd'Ve TrusTeD HiS CaPTaIn"

*Sanji trusts his captain*

Result:

In a parallel universe the SHs would be dead.

Also captain, sends Tamate Box. Box blows up and saves all them

 

[Chrono]

It was. No matter the context. If anything went wrong all of them would be dead and Luffy's road to PK would be over on WCI.

Yes, and Sanji's choice logically had the highest chances of survival for Luffy and the rest of the crew.

 

[Seth]

Sanji's choice logically had the highest chances of survival for Luffy and the rest of the crew.

Did it?

I mean of all people Sanji as a Straw Hat should know it the best that Luffy would go there.

He basically lured Luffy into Yonko's territory. From the moment Luffy stepped on WCI it was all about plot armor working for Straw Hats benefit.

 

[Chrono]

@Chrono @stealthblack Do you think as Sanji fans Oda fucked up WCI or if it could’ve been better?

WCI was shit because Sanji never got a solo fight. In terms of character, aside from the whole cooking morales inconsistency.....Sanji was pretty much solid. He had many cool moments and feats, and if he defeated Daifuku.....then WCI wouldve been perfect for him.

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Did it?

I mean of all people Sanji as a Straw Hat should know it the best that Luffy would go there.

He basically lured Luffy into Yonko's territory. From the moment Luffy stepped on WCI it was all about plot armor working for Straw Hats benefit.

Lured ?

Reread these 2 pages.

Nami literally says so that Sanji had no choice but to leave.....or else in a few days Sanji will get a Baratie, Kamabaka or SHs members head in a box. Sanji told them not to come. There was no luring.

 

[hedera__helix]

He was literally gonna let Luffy starve before he found out Pudding didn’t care about him.