Except that Shanks was still able to defeat and capture Loki. So if Shanks is stronger enough than Loki to kick his ass, then that would mean he'd be stronger than Harald anyway. So something doesn't add up.
Actually, could that say something about Mihawk too? Because "pre-Yonko Shanks" was able to keep up with an extremely strong swordsman who's considered the best in the world after all.
I'm baffled you guys all doubt Gaban and Shanks this much even though Gaban was a top Roger Pirate and Shanks was a top Knight of God. You're not giving them enough respect.
That's like saying Kaido wasn't that strong since he wasn't in his prime due to being 59 when he fought Luffy.
So if Gaban isn't that strong, then I guess I can claim Kaido isn't that strong either, since they're about the same age.
You can still be physically healthy and strong even after retiring though. Oden had retired from being a pirate and he was still able to keep up with Kaido years after that.
There's also Kaido who was 59 when he fought Luffy. Would he be considered in his prime as well, or would Kaido as a Rocks Pirate be considered Prime Kaido
Much as I don't want to be close-minded towards Loki, since anything is possible with Oda as far as I'm concerned, I'm def more willing to believe Vivi and Yamato would have more purpose in reuniting with Luffy as crewmates. I'm not sure what Loki's purpose with Luffy would be, but maybe it will...
Even in the most recent arc, Luffy is still open to recruiting people and Oda hasn't given the confirmation that the Straw Hat membership is closed either, in addition to others like Vivi and Yamato who've yet to join back up with the crew after what they said. This doesn't even have anything to...
That's def another good point. Harald didn't let Shanks and Gaban kill him, but let Loki kill him, giving Loki a better shot than what Shanks and Gaban had.
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So is Rocks as strong as older Harald then?
This as well. Shanks can't beat Harald with Gaban's help, yet he can apparently beat Loki without Gaban's help, even after Loki defeted Harald. That's just crazy.
Yeah, I mean, prime Rocks was far stronger than past-his-prime Harald, so to claim that Loki is stronger than Rocks because he was able to beat Harald is absurd, especially since Gaban and Shanks already damaged Harald.
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