That changes nothing about what I said?
He was getting negged in Shikai. Then he also used Bankai and Dordoni did well. And he was even beating Bankai Ichigo after gaining an edge
If Ichigo has any hope of being close to Byakuya in HM, then he needs to at bare minimum neg Dordoni with Bankai
Not really. He went Bankai and nowhere was it stated me massively held back. Dordoni got some advantage via unfair means and then Bankai Ichigo straight up started losing. Hell, Dordoni wasn't even fully certain that Ichigo can beat him without mask. He thought Ichigo would "probably" win...
Raw strength in pure CQC specifically. Hitsugaya is good at playing hit-and-run/stall game otherwise, even against the Tres Espada. He's able to constantly react to her and avoid her and pull tricks to stall.
It's proven that he IS weaker. It's proven that HM Byakuya WILL neg diff HM Bankai...
We don't. We just have evidence of Hitsugaya being physically weaker than released Luppi in raw strength>
Though we DO have prolonged evidence for HM Ichigo being comparable to Dordoni, who is far weaker than Luppi, who is far weaker than Byakuya.
Therefore, SS Ichigo being comparable or...
No. That was just Renji.
Idk why you're insulting me or going off topic or spam ignoring everything I say. I genuinely remember you being one of the good faith people here with good arguments.
Anyway my point hinges on SS feats being irrelevant to HM. Yours hinges on the contrary.
I'm using...
No. I'm trying to emphasize that Ichigo's PL is inconsistent due to mental block. Or Dordoni > Base Yammy, which isn't really farfetched anyway. Regardless-
Bankai Ichigo struggling against Dordoni (even if he won without mask,it'd be high diff) is a canonical fact. He'd get shit on by likes...
You can't use SS to scale with HM/FKT.
It's unclear if Ichigo is much weaker due to mental block or if Byakuya and other captains got massively stronger between SS and HM, but it's clear the gap isn't like that anymore.
Bankai Ichigo in HM is a fodder who can't even beat Dordoni, much less...
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