Versus Battle Left hand men rumble

#21
Comparing Akou & Makou to this is just a terrible comp, I don't recall either of them being introduced with "Deputy" in their title boxes lol. Their positions were pretty much the same as Ouki's commanders, completely different system.
It doesn't matter how they were introduced. You can be a deputy and right hand man at the same time. One doesn't contradict the other.

There was no need for a command switch as Rozo wasn't under the Zhao military. Rozo was used as the main opposing force to which SSJ were going to supplement tactically.
Shunsuijuu was the main decision-making center of their force. It was Rozo and his Quanrong that were executing his will while SSJ was pulling the strings. Regardless how you think about his position in relation to Rozo the fact is, SSJ held responsibility that Bananji was never intrusted to.

Your claim to SSJ being of superior rank has relied on Mouten's single statement, a character who wouldn't know about the inner rankings of Riboku's deputies. The right hand man is 99.9% the commander who is the closest to the main general.
Again, why do you think Qin would know about Shibashou being 3GH, but don't know about who is Riboku's right hand man? Both statements have as much credibility, but you assume one is right and one is false for no reason.

Ouki - Tou
Ousen - Akou
SHK - KaiOku
Rinshoujou - Gyou'un
Ouhon - Banyu


The right hand men display an understanding about their commanders that the other underlings don't. Which Bananji has consistently done. So yes it is WAY more important than a character like Mouten calling him the RHM. When we as the readers actually see their interactions. SSJ is a strategist primarly and not built martially like Bananji, thus Riboku utilizes him as such just as he utilized Keisha.

As for their ages, no idea.
Yes, this is often true, but it doesn't mean it's mandatory condition. Genpou arguebly knows Renpa the longest and best of of four heavenly kings and yet it's Kaishibou who is his right hand man. Being the right hand man has more to do with your talents being the best fit for your superior in war and SSJ proven that is the case for him. I would argue that Bihei knows Shin better then a lot of his officers and yet in terms of rank and position he is not outstanding.
 
#22
It doesn't matter how they were introduced. You can be a deputy and right hand man at the same time. One doesn't contradict the other.
Uhh it does? Wtf lol. Makou is introduced by the narrator as the left hand man. That'd imply there's a right hand man, then Ouhon introduces Akou as the top commander under Ousen, making him the right hand man.

BNJ & SSJ are simply introduced as Deputies, no hierarchy is established by the narrator or people close to them.

Shunsuijuu was the main decision-making center of their force. It was Rozo and his Quanrong that were executing his will while SSJ was pulling the strings. Regardless how you think about his position in relation to Rozo the fact is, SSJ held responsibility that Bananji was never intrusted to.
You mean he was the strategist and Rozo followed the things he was doing? Yes. That's the purpose of a strategist. This is an asinine point that you're making. Riboku has a top notch strategist deputy and he used him as a strategist for a army that totaled over 150+ while Riboku's allies Quanrong served as the actual main fighting force.

The man was fighting a 60k vs 170k battle lol. Why in god's blue earth would Riboku send his strongest subordinate there, despite the near 3:1 advantage Zhao had and the insanely powerful Quanrong.

Again, why do you think Qin would know about Shibashou being 3GH, but don't know about who is Riboku's right hand man? Both statements have as much credibility, but you assume one is right and one is false for no reason.
I explained this the first time you brought it up. 3GH = actual position. If Shibashou is made into a 3GH like the Qin 6 were, they can know that it's a huge deal through spies or such just as they were keeping tabs on the Zhao movement with Riboku post-Shukai.

"Right hand man" is not an official position that somebody is granted in a ceremony or in any formal manner.

You compared two COMPLETELY different things.


Yes, this is often true, but it doesn't mean it's mandatory condition. Genpou arguebly knows Renpa the longest and best of of four heavenly kings and yet it's Kaishibou who is his right hand man. Being the right hand man has more to do with your talents being the best fit for your superior in war and SSJ proven that is the case for him. I would argue that Bihei knows Shin better then a lot of his officers and yet in terms of rank and position he is not outstanding.
Yes Genpo can know Renpa the longest (we don't know) but that doesn't mean he's the closest. Kashibou is more than likely the closest to Renpa as the leader of the Heavenly Kings than Genpou is. Which is also pretty implied when the two are given the biggest focus when hugging it out.

Knowing somebody longest=/= being closest to them. Bihei knows Shin the longest, he's not the closest to Shin. He might know him more than some of the officers, but he's not closer to him than Ensan & Kyoukai & Ten... all 3 of which would qualify as Shin's right hand men.

And if we're talking about superiority in warfare, then Bananji is the superior one. You brought up a bad point earlier about how Riboku used SSJ even the last arc more than Bananji, that makes him the top guy.... then when you were told that Ouki had Tou do absolutely jackshit in Bayou for days, you didn't have a counter to it.

You also brought up the point SSJ having lead a bigger army. Oh would you look at that at Bayou, Kanou and etc all led bigger armies than Tou. The biggest thing Ouki's right hand man led was a 5k unit to hit the commanding HQ on the last day.

So was Tou not Ouki's right hand man because Kanou and others had bigger responsibilities? Hell Tou & Bananji damn near had identical roles near the end. Both attacking the opposing commanders HQ with a small unit, the opposing commander being shocked about their martial prowess. Just one commander got saved while the other one died.

And of course the Army that Riboku had in the end made up of his underlings was labeled... the Bananji army. And who was commanding it while SSJ was also part of it? Oh yes Bananji.

Where did Riboku gain his major fame from? Ganmon
Oh who is the biggest general from Ganmon that was under Riboku there? The Demon of Ganmon

Like idk bruh it's pretty clear that BNJ is the right hand man and the bigger/more important general to Riboku out of the two. But to each their own.
 
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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#23
I like SSJ more with each appearance, the guy is mad and cold a

As for the debate : yeah SSJ can take command and do great things on his own

but Banana was more shown interacting with other RH than SSJ : he fought Akou Ousen RH, he fought with Gyou Un RSJ RH.

‘and when he are seeing the « type » of RH and left hand : often the martial type is RH and often the brain type is LH

Rokuomi / Ryuukoku
Gyou Un / CGR
Akou / Denrimi
Kansaro / Gakushou
Etc etc

so yeah I think Banana is RH while SSJ is left but they are both really talented and strong.
 
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