Le Fishe Thread Mihawk couldn't turn a Supreme Grade Blade Black..

[GeneralP123]

Rootbeer kinda cooked here, if turning your blade black doesn't increase the grade of the sword then the black blade process turns from pretty much useless to completely useless.

Turning a blade black even though it's already supreme grade wouldn't increase the grade again tho, obviously supreme grade is the highest grade possible.

 

[Shasha23]

Potato, potato.. There's no point in Hitetsu mentioning this to the readers if it stays in the same Blade Grade, that's the whole point.. No one cares if Enma is still a Great Grade Blade after becoming a Black Blade, it's no news.

He never said anything about changing grade that’s just something you made up, he only said the sword will change rank and as explained to you Mihawk has also said that graded swords have different ranks

 

[Etzel Andergast]

I have no doubt Roortbeer write his threads laughing

 

[Warine]

There will be more Supreme Grade Blade then..


Typical bad faith Zoro fan.. It's a perfectly sound possibility that Yoru was a Great Grade Blade before being turned into a Black Blade..

Yes 15

 

[Dragon777]

Typical bad faith Zoro fan.. It's a perfectly sound possibility that Yoru was a Great Grade Blade before being turned into a Black Blade..

Not likely since the number of Saijo Is the same as in the real world.

 

[Rootbeer]

He never said anything about changing grade that’s just something you made up, he only said the sword will change rank and as explained to you Mihawk has also said that graded swords have different ranks

I know it's a big problem for you if Yoru was a Great Grade Blade before.. But the word '' Rank '' is synonym of Grade, and lets say i grant you your point, it's still fifty fifty and Hitetsu could still mean Rank as Grade, you can't prove he didn't mean that either, you're just suggesting another possibility..

Show me where Mihawk says that Graded Swords have different ranks within the same Grade..

Not likely since the number of Saijo Is the same as in the real world.

You would have had a point if the Supreme Grade Blades were all Japanese, but that's not the case with Ace, Murakumogiri and probably Gryphon and Garling's Sword..

 

[Dragon777]

You would have had a point if the Supreme Grade Blades were all Japanese, but that's not the case with Ace, Murakumogiri and probably Gryphon and Garling's Sword..

The fact that Oda liked to have different types of blades in OP and not just twelve katanas doesn't mean the concept It's different.

There are twelve Saijo in the real world too so I doubt Oda Is going change that.

 

[Rootbeer]

The fact that Oda liked to have different types of blades in OP and not just twelve katanas doesn't mean the concept It's different.

There are twelve Saijo in the real world too so I doubt Oda Is going change that.

I guess it's fifty fifty.. There also could be the 12 Japanese Saijos plus the other unique Supreme Bladed weapons..

 

[CbShadow]

Potato, potato.. When Hitetsu said rank he spoke of the Blade Grades, the goal of his line is to provide meaningful information to the readers, if it's a rank within the same Grade it's pointless, no one cares..

Nowhere is it said that the Sword Grade is set by the Blacksmith..
I think the Sword Grade can rise since turning a Blade Black is an Awakening..

And Yoru didn't shatter Wado so..

Again nowhere is it mentioned that the number of Graded Blades is fix and can't change, you're putting a lot of arbitrary rules..

Once again, the manga didn't say anything about raising the grade. It talked about the rank. The rank it raises to is a black blade rank. You misunderstood Hitetsu.

Blacksmiths create swords. The swords quality is determined by them. Ace can't break Shusui.

Yoru not breaking Wado does mean anything since Mihawk wasn't trying to break that swords. Zoro's other swords broke because they were poor quality swords.

You are making stuff up to push your agenda.

 

[Rootbeer]

Once again, the manga didn't say anything about raising the grade. It talked about the rank. The rank it raises to is a black blade rank. You misunderstood Hitetsu.

Blacksmiths create swords. The swords quality is determined by them. Ace can't break Shusui.

Yoru not breaking Wado does mean anything since Mihawk wasn't trying to break that swords. Zoro's other swords broke because they were poor quality swords.

You are making stuff up to push your agenda.

I'm pushing my agenda?.. Instead of just taking what is said as it is, that Hitetsu is speaking of the Blade Grade will rise in rank, hello.. The manga didn't say either that '' rank '' and '' grade '' were not equivalent in this context, so..

I will keep in mind your Blacksmith speculation for what it is, a speculation..

Ace may not be able to break Shusui, but Ace's Grade is superior that's a fact.. Or in other terms, Ace's powers are stronger than Shusui's powers..

Well it's convenient that in your reality Mihawk wasn't trying to break Wado Ichimonji.. Another alternative could be that Wado is as durable as a Black Blade already.. Based on durability alone Wado Ichimonji could perhaps even be a Supreme Grade Blade..

 

[GeneralP123]

I'm pushing my agenda?.. Instead of just taking what is said as it is, that Hitetsu is speaking of the Blade Grade will rise in rank, hello.. The manga didn't say either that '' rank '' and '' grade '' were not equivalent in this context, so..

I will keep in mind your Blacksmith speculation for what it is, a speculation..

Ace may not be able to break Shusui, but Ace's Grade is superior that's a fact.. Or in other terms, Ace's powers are stronger than Shusui's powers..

Well it's convenient that in your reality Mihawk wasn't trying to break Wado Ichimonji.. Another alternative could be that Wado is as durable as a Black Blade already.. Based on durability alone Wado Ichimonji could perhaps even be a Supreme Grade Blade..

You're right, they're trying to gaslight you, Shusui was probably a skillful grade sword, but it leveled up to great grade when Ryuma turned it black, Enma has potential to level up to supreme grade if Zoro turns it black.

 

[Warine]

I know it's a big problem for you if Yoru was a Great Grade Blade before.. But the word '' Rank '' is synonym of Grade, and lets say i grant you your point, it's still fifty fifty and Hitetsu could still mean Rank as Grade, you can't prove he didn't mean that either, you're just suggesting another possibility..

Show me where Mihawk says that Graded Swords have different ranks within the same Grade..


You would have had a point if the Supreme Grade Blades were all Japanese, but that's not the case with Ace, Murakumogiri and probably Gryphon and Garling's Sword..

 

[CbShadow]

Rootbeer kinda cooked here, if turning your blade black doesn't increase the grade of the sword then the black blade process turns from pretty much useless to completely useless.

What you said makes no sense. The purpose to forging a black blade is to have weapon that unbreakable. You and root focus too much on grade. Remember, not all weapons receive a grade. Kaido's club is an upgraded weapon. His weapon was strong enough to handle his haki.

Turning a blade black even though it's already supreme grade wouldn't increase the grade again tho, obviously supreme grade is the highest grade possible.

Exactly, that's why raising a swords rank has nothing to do with its grade. When a sword becomes a black blade it's reaches the rank of a black blade.

 

[GeneralP123]

What you said makes no sense. The purpose to forging a black blade is to have weapon that unbreakable. You and root focus too much on grade. Remember, not all weapons receive a grade. Kaido's club is an upgraded weapon. His weapon was strong enough to handle his haki.




Exactly, that's why raising a swords rank has nothing to do with its grade. When a sword becomes a black blade it's reaches the rank of a black blade.

Of course Kaido's club isn't a graded blade, because it isn't a blade at all, it's a blunt force weapon. They are called the Supreme Grade Blades not the Supreme Grade Maces or Clubs.

 

[CbShadow]

I'm pushing my agenda?.. Instead of just taking what is said as it is, that Hitetsu is speaking of the Blade Grade will rise in rank, hello.. The manga didn't say either that '' rank '' and '' grade '' were not equivalent in this context, so..

I will keep in mind your Blacksmith speculation for what it is, a speculation..

Ace may not be able to break Shusui, but Ace's Grade is superior that's a fact.. Or in other terms, Ace's powers are stronger than Shusui's powers..

Well it's convenient that in your reality Mihawk wasn't trying to break Wado Ichimonji.. Another alternative could be that Wado is as durable as a Black Blade already.. Based on durability alone Wado Ichimonji could perhaps even be a Supreme Grade Blade..

Yes, you are pushing an agenda. Most of your post are you pushing an agenda.

There's no blacksmith speculation. Blacksmith creates swords so the quality is determined by them. It's that simple.

Ace is a higher grade than Shusui but not a superior sword. Ace can't break Shusui but Shusui can break Ace. A superior sword wouldn't break against an inferior sword. Once shusui became a black blade it became superior to all normal blades. The only swords superior to shusui are supreme grade black blades.

Swords that are at least a decent quality don't easily break. Effort has to be put to break the swords. Zoro used Kitetsu III (fine grade blade) to block Shusui (excellent grade black blade) and it didn't break.

Zombie Ryuma had to use a sword breaking technique to try to break Zoro's inferior swords and they didn't break because Zoro countered Ryuma's attack before he could break them.

My reality is backed by manga facts.

If Wado is as durable as a black blade then there is no purpose to black blades. Your reality makes no sense and goes against the manga.

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes, you are pushing an agenda. Most of your post are you pushing an agenda.

There's no blacksmith speculation. Blacksmith creates swords so the quality is determined by them. It's that simple.

Ace is a higher grade than Shusui but not a superior sword. Ace can't break Shusui but Shusui can break Ace. A superior sword wouldn't break against an inferior sword. Once shusui became a black blade it became superior to all normal blades. The only swords superior to shusui are supreme grade black blades.

Swords that are at least a decent quality don't easily break. Effort has to be put to break the swords. Zoro used Kitetsu III (fine grade blade) to block Shusui (excellent grade black blade) and it didn't break.

Zombie Ryuma had to use a sword breaking technique to try to break Zoro's inferior swords and they didn't break because Zoro countered Ryuma's attack before he could break them.

My reality is backed by manga facts.

If Wado is as durable as a black blade then there is no purpose to black blades. Your reality makes no sense and goes against the manga.

Actually i'm about to destroy your biased reality..

When Hitetsu first described Nidai Kitetsu he uses the same Japanese to attest their '' Grade '' which is '' Iretsu '' and later when defining Enma and Ame no Habakiri's Grade.. And the same Japanese word that was translated to rank when its actually '' Grade '' in Japanese..

And as well for Tashigi to appraise the Blade's Class for Nidai and Shodai Kitetsu, she uses once more the identical japanese term '' Iretsu '' for the Blades '' Grade ''..

So you're completely in the wrong there and when Enma is turned into a Black Blade, it will a 100% factual become a Supreme Grade Blade..

And no, Shusui is not a superior Sword than Ace, a Black Blade's toughness can easily be matched by imbuing your Sword in Hardening.. The toughness of the Black Blade is not its sole advantage, famous Blades in One Piece have powers and creating a Black Blade also raises the Blade's powers.. KoH's base power level will be a lot more powerful..

 

[CbShadow]

Actually i'm about to destroy your biased reality..

When Hitetsu first described Nidai Kitetsu he uses the same Japanese to attest their '' Grade '' which is '' Iretsu '' and later when defining Enma and Ame no Habakiri's Grade.. And the same Japanese word that was translated to rank when its actually '' Grade '' in Japanese..

And as well for Tashigi to appraise the Blade's Class for Nidai and Shodai Kitetsu, she uses once more the identical japanese term '' Iretsu '' for the Blades '' Grade ''..

So you're completely in the wrong there and when Enma is turned into a Black Blade, it will a 100% factual become a Supreme Grade Blade..

And no, Shusui is not a superior Sword than Ace, a Black Blade's toughness can easily be matched by imbuing your Sword in Hardening.. The toughness of the Black Blade is not its sole advantage, famous Blades in One Piece have powers and creating a Black Blade also raises the Blade's powers.. KoH's base power level will be a lot more powerful..

You're the last person who should be talking about destroying someone biased reality when the latest color volume release completely destroyed your bias reality on ACoC haki color.

The official English One Piece version said rank, not grade so that's what I'm going by. Not by you and your bias.

Supreme grade is the highest grade. So even if turning a blade into a black blade raises its grade it still can't raise it above a supreme grade since that's the highest grade.

We're comparing sword to sword. Not sword plus other power to sword. Ace can't break Shusui but Shusui can break Ace. That's makes Shusui superior.

 

[Rootbeer]

The official English One Piece version said rank, not grade so that's what I'm going by. Not by you and your bias.

See how biased and bad faith you are.. I put the japanese evidence in your face with multiple source and it's always been '' iretsu '' to describe the Blade's Grades, but you deny it and go with the wrong english term when all the other instances are '' Grade '' as it should be..

It's not a big deal, you're just plain wrong..

Supreme grade is the highest grade. So even if turning a blade into a black blade raises its grade it still can't raise it above a supreme grade since that's the highest grade.

We're comparing sword to sword. Not sword plus other power to sword. Ace can't break Shusui but Shusui can break Ace. That's makes Shusui superior.

If a Supreme Grade Blade has never been turned into a Black Blade before, then it's unknown territory and the highest grade would be outclassed by a new special one..

Sword powers are integral to Sword Grades in One Piece.. Shanks and Fujitora can only wifi their CoC and Fruit Power because their Blade is a Supreme Grade Blade.. When we speaking of Shusui's toughness alone being above Ace, of course it's possible(not a certainty), it's clad permanently in hardening..

 

[Kiiro]

Oden's father said forging it to a black blade will raise its rank, not grade.

That's make sense because a sword grade is set by the blacksmith who made the sword. Swordsman don't make swords. They only raise a sword rank if they can turn it into a black blade. That rank is the rank of a black blade that is superior to any normal blade.

If a black blade clashes with a normal blade and the power is equal the normal blade would break first.


There are a set number of graded blades in the manga. You can't have a set number if any blade can reach a higher grade by becoming a black blade.

And what will the difference be? Rank and grade?

Shisui is in the same level as Emma, said by many and Shisui is black.