Character Discussion The Greatest Marine Prodigy in History

Is he the Greatest Prodigy known in Marine history?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • No

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13
#1
I am a big time Garp fan, as many of you might already know. I think he's among the top 5-6 best non-SH written characters, and would whoop Roger or Newgate... However, the more in depth I get with the marines the more I come to terms with he might not be the strongest marine.

SBS 8 (Post-Chapter 66)

In SBS 8 of the series Oda was asked about where Coby ranked in the marines, and whether Captain was the highest rank.

D: I don't understand the Marines system very well. Is Captain the highest rank? Is Koby at the headquarters? Or a base?? Where does Lieutenant Fullbody stand?

O: This is it (→). This is the entire explanation of the Marines system in the world of "One Piece". The base Koby is in is the 153rd Branch. Officers of Captain rank and above command the bases spread out all over the world. I wonder when the day Koby advances to be an Officer will come.

(also see Marine Ranks.)
In reply to this reader Oda gave us this chart of the Marine Ranks. And in that chart while giving us the marine ranks he also mentions another rank... World Government Commander-in-Chief.:

Before even 100 chapters of the series, the idea of the World Government having a military individual above the Fleet Admiral and above the Marines in general, was already there. With this y'all might already get which character I'm going towards this.

Importance of Fleet Admiral:

Even 50+ years back the position of Admirals was considered a powerful position. And the position of Fleet Admiral being considered a highly touted powerful position even back then.



The Greatest Prodigy:

Fleet Admiral was introduced in chapter 234, with Sengoku. Then those who held the 2nd highest rank that was mentioned in sbs 8, Admiral.. introduced in 303 with Kuzan's debut. And then in chapter 594, after over 500+ chapters since the rank was dropped, Oda introduces the man that's above even the Marines:

In terms of size among the Marine Top Tiers, he's the tallest and biggest guy. With being noticeably bigger than Sengoku who is about a ft smaller than Akainu.


Now here's the crucial part:

Age of Sengoku when becoming Fleet Admiral: late 60-early 70s (was still an admiral 13 years ago)
Age of Sakazuki when becoming Fleet Admiral: 53-54
Now for reference, the youngest to become admiral that we know at the moment is 41 with Aramaki
So with that in mind...
IF Kong is relative in age to Garp and Sengoku: He'd have become Fleet Admiral sometime during his 30s


Now keep in mind, even 50+ years back Fleet Admiral position was considered a powerful position. This man became Fleet Admiral at an age where you rarely even see somebody become an Admiral.... Bruh that's absurd


And if somebody wants to say he's a decade older than Sengoku, sure, that'd put him becoming FA in his 40s. Which is roughly when people become Admirals, still absurd. And if he's a decade older than Sengoku, he's essentially 90 years old... This mf at the age of 90 is still the leader of the most powerful military in the world, while people younger than him like Garp/Sengoku essentially retired... Whitebeard/Roger dead... Lmao. This is the true leader of the WG military that Oda had planned since SBS 8.

Is he irrelevant?
Because he hasn't been shown since his last appearance, people have gone into the "oh he's not relevant" mode. Where it's a bit confusing to me, because the series is still far from over. Even now people delude themselves into thinking the WG is going to fall soon in Elbaf or arc after.. just like Egghead was meant to be the grave of the Goroseis.. it's not.. the series is still far far away from over.

The man hasn't appeared yet, but Oda made sure to drop him in the vivre card. And essentially said he's the one making the big decisions for maintaining balance in the world. And he just now appeared in the God Valley flashback with a small cameo as well.

Just like with Dragon, I don't think he has much role until the final war for combat. The military order is pretty clear. If the Admirals are present, threats to mariejois are handled by the Admirals. If the admirals are absent only then does the Fleet Admiral step in (like in case of Kuma where none of the admirals were at HQ). And naturally... the Commander in Chief would only step in if the Fleet Admiral isn't present. Thus he has no active combat role until the Final War when there's threats to mariejois that the Fleet Admiral and Admirals wouldn't be able to address. As the leader he's the last line of defense. This was also shown pretty clearly at Marineford too, where Sengoku the FA, leader, acted as the last one to act after the 3 admirals did their thing.



Now whether he's in his prime still who knows. People yapped for years about how the Gorosei would just be pencil pushers and politicians then they come busting up insane Haki. However, they also have Imu's support with regen. Now whether Kong has managed to maintain his prime strength or not, we shall see. But nonetheless... a military career at top of the World Government military leadership lasting 40-50 years and still going is absolutely insane. There isn't another known marine in the series that has anything similar... I don't know what else to call this man, other than the greatest prodigy in the known history of the Marines.

Please share you opinion, agreements or disagreements!
 
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#7
Think of it this way,

Roger is who Pirates look up to,
His Equivalent in Marines is Sengoku,

Rayleigh & Tsuru are the No. 2s whose Names are as Heavy as those Two,
While WB & Garp are considered as Powerful/Great as them but weren't interested in the Throne,

Then comes Oden/Aokiji who were favored to Lead New Era, but were instead Forced Out by Kaidou/Akainu,
Who both have a Brotherly Relationship with Next Best after them Big Mom/Kizaru,

And finally, We have Shanks/Fujitora & Blackbeard/Ryokugyu who are considered the Two New Rising Stars,
You can also count Shiki if you want as an Honorable Mention & his Marine Version was Zephyr,

So who is Kong of Pirates? It's none other than Rocks D. Xebec, that's what Kong represents,
Just like Xebec who was shown to be able to Influence All Great Pirates without becoming Pirate King, Kong was given this "Commander In Chief" as a Rank that reflects same kind of Influence, Kong is the guy who can Lead Admirals/Fleet Admirals without needing to be in the Spotlight & showing his Face to the Public

Just like Oden was WB's Commander & Aokiji was Garp's Student, who gained the admiration of Roger/Sengoku,
I believe that it's highly possible, just like WB was Xebec's Commander, then Garp was Kong's Student (The name does suggest that)

So i don't know how Strong He is currently, but in his Prime, i believe Kong is definitely Top 3 Marines ever
 
#8
You can’t fight Koby greatness

there are like 50 better characters than him in the Marine ranks
Yet Oda had him to be the chosen one
He has no talent
Oda clearly showed that Aokiji is more talented than coby
Ace used COC as a child but we all know he is weaker than Shanks and Luffy
Just because Oda chooses you for a few emotional pages doesn't mean coby is talented
Garp:
Against Roger
Against the strongest man
Against Rocks
And he also freely insults others and raises the son of a devil without fear
And finally the bounty that is given to people only because of their status. For a 100 year old man, he is equal to the Admirals
 
#9
Kong is likely strong as fuck and being Commander in chief is huge especially at his age

But no he is not the strongest marine in history or the greatest prodigy

Garp was stronger than him

and Koby will be stronger than both and is the greatest prodigy ever seen in the marine Ranks
It's never stated that Garp is the strongest marine in history or ever

The fact Kong was FA when Prime Sengoku and Prime Garp were active means that Prime Kong is on their level.

Prime Kong ~ Prime Garp ~ Prime Sengoku
Just like logia Admirals were all near equals on the same level
 

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#10
It's never stated that Garp is the strongest marine in history or ever

The fact Kong was FA when Prime Sengoku and Prime Garp were active means that Prime Kong is on their level.

Prime Kong ~ Prime Garp ~ Prime Sengoku
Just like logia Admirals were all near equals on the same level
Being on someone level doesn’t mean being equal

Kaido and BM are overall on the same level but Kaido is stronger than her

There is no way Kong or Sengoku could have beaten Garp in his prime in a classic 1 vs 1 fight. The narrative is clear as day

And Kobs will be even stronger
 
#12
He has no talent
Oda clearly showed that Aokiji is more talented than coby
Ace used COC as a child but we all know he is weaker than Shanks and Luffy
Just because Oda chooses you for a few emotional pages doesn't mean coby is talented
Garp:
Against Roger
Against the strongest man
Against Rocks
And he also freely insults others and raises the son of a devil without fear
And finally the bounty that is given to people only because of their status. For a 100 year old man, he is equal to the Admirals
How, Oda already showed that Koby will be Garp's next best student
 
#17
I am a big time Garp fan, as many of you might already know. I think he's among the top 5-6 best non-SH written characters, and would whoop Roger or Newgate... However, the more in depth I get with the marines the more I come to terms with he might not be the strongest marine.

SBS 8 (Post-Chapter 66)

In SBS 8 of the series Oda was asked about where Coby ranked in the marines, and whether Captain was the highest rank.


In reply to this reader Oda gave us this chart of the Marine Ranks. And in that chart while giving us the marine ranks he also mentions another rank... World Government Commander-in-Chief.:

Before even 100 chapters of the series, the idea of the World Government having a military individual above the Fleet Admiral and above the Marines in general, was already there. With this y'all might already get which character I'm going towards this.

Importance of Fleet Admiral:

Even 50+ years back the position of Admirals was considered a powerful position. And the position of Fleet Admiral being considered a highly touted powerful position even back then.



The Greatest Prodigy:

Fleet Admiral was introduced in chapter 234, with Sengoku. Then those who held the 2nd highest rank that was mentioned in sbs 8, Admiral.. introduced in 303 with Kuzan's debut. And then in chapter 594, after over 500+ chapters since the rank was dropped, Oda introduces the man that's above even the Marines:

In terms of size among the Marine Top Tiers, he's the tallest and biggest guy. With being noticeably bigger than Sengoku who is about a ft smaller than Akainu.


Now here's the crucial part:

Age of Sengoku when becoming Fleet Admiral: late 60-early 70s (was still an admiral 13 years ago)
Age of Sakazuki when becoming Fleet Admiral: 53-54
Now for reference, the youngest to become admiral that we know at the moment is 41 with Aramaki
So with that in mind...
IF Kong is relative in age to Garp and Sengoku: He'd have become Fleet Admiral sometime during his 30s


Now keep in mind, even 50+ years back Fleet Admiral position was considered a powerful position. This man became Fleet Admiral at an age where you rarely even see somebody become an Admiral.... Bruh that's absurd


And if somebody wants to say he's a decade older than Sengoku, sure, that'd put him becoming FA in his 40s. Which is roughly when people become Admirals, still absurd. And if he's a decade older than Sengoku, he's essentially 90 years old... This mf at the age of 90 is still the leader of the most powerful military in the world, while people younger than him like Garp/Sengoku essentially retired... Whitebeard/Roger dead... Lmao. This is the true leader of the WG military that Oda had planned since SBS 8.

Is he irrelevant?
Because he hasn't been shown since his last appearance, people have gone into the "oh he's not relevant" mode. Where it's a bit confusing to me, because the series is still far from over. Even now people delude themselves into thinking the WG is going to fall soon in Elbaf or arc after.. just like Egghead was meant to be the grave of the Goroseis.. it's not.. the series is still far far away from over.

The man hasn't appeared yet, but Oda made sure to drop him in the vivre card. And essentially said he's the one making the big decisions for maintaining balance in the world. And he just now appeared in the God Valley flashback with a small cameo as well.

Just like with Dragon, I don't think he has much role until the final war for combat. The military order is pretty clear. If the Admirals are present, threats to mariejois are handled by the Admirals. If the admirals are absent only then does the Fleet Admiral step in (like in case of Kuma where none of the admirals were at HQ). And naturally... the Commander in Chief would only step in if the Fleet Admiral isn't present. Thus he has no active combat role until the Final War when there's threats to mariejois that the Fleet Admiral and Admirals wouldn't be able to address. As the leader he's the last line of defense. This was also shown pretty clearly at Marineford too, where Sengoku the FA, leader, acted as the last one to act after the 3 admirals did their thing.



Now whether he's in his prime still who knows. People yapped for years about how the Gorosei would just be pencil pushers and politicians then they come busting up insane Haki. However, they also have Imu's support with regen. Now whether Kong has managed to maintain his prime strength or not, we shall see. But nonetheless... a military career at top of the World Government military leadership lasting 40-50 years and still going is absolutely insane. There isn't another known marine in the series that has anything similar... I don't know what else to call this man, other than the greatest prodigy in the known history of the Marines.

Please share you opinion, agreements or disagreements!
Koby is the greatest prodigy
 
#18
I don't like to talk about it in terms of in history, whoever Coby trains may be stronger in the next generation, but Coby will be stronger than Garp by far, if the worst generation will surpass the old one
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He didn’t make the OP contender spread while Sakazuki, Imu, Garling, and Pranks did.

The relevant WG top tiers club is full
Do you mean Coby didn't appear in the one piece contenders?
 
#19
Coby has the greatest growth rate in one piece. He is definitely the biggest prodigy.

He went from being an absolute fodder level to a level where he can beat all YC1(marco/king/zoro etc) at the same time. Also he has the strongest non-df amped attack in the series. Top-3 attack overall only below BG and Flame Bagua
 
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