Versus Battle Start of DBZ Piccolo vs the OP verse
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what's Caribou and Pre Time Skip Smoker going to do when Piccolo blows up the planet
You can also argue for Piccolo's speed being FTL if you believe that a character's speed increases linearly with their power level increases, seeing as Kid Goku who trained for a bit after being defeated can outright blitz + beat the crap out of characters who ran circles around him prior to the montage.
Stop changing the goalposts. Your claim was that Logia forms couldn't be damaged at all. I pointed out how that was a ridiculous claim because we have literally seen the protagonist damage the Logia forms of two major saga antagonists without knowing any Haki. That debunks your claim that damage to the Logia body doesn't matter. It does. That was what that particular point of mine addressed.
It was:
1) Another example of a Logia form being damaged through non-haki means.
2) Showing that a Logia form, even one not made out of solid physical matter like sand, can take damage from heat. What are DB ki blasts? They are explosive energy balls/beams made of light and heat.
If the likes of Ace can be burned and killed by magma, then he can be burned and killed by ki.
Aye, there is clearly a lot that you don't understand in general.
Ki disintegrates physical matter in its entirety. We see this all the time but it becomes especially important with hyper regeneration opponents like Cell and Buu. What is the likes of sand? A whole lot of small solid bits of physical matter.
What does disintegration mean in this context? It means being reduced to subatomic particles.
Can the likes of Crocodile's logia form be reduced to subatomic particles? Yes, his body is made of physical matter.
Can Crocodile's logia form be destroyed by disintegrating energy? Well considering it can take blunt force damage from a mere wet fisting then yes, it can be disintegrated without haki.
Is that simple enough for you to understand now?
How authors choose to portray how the exact same concept manifests itself in two different fictional universes doesn't change the fact that they are portraying the exact same concept.
They are both obviously based on this East Asian concept.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
Internal life force energy, being projected outwards by an individual to empower their attacks and whack their opponent.
It is exactly the same. If you are incapable of comprehending that then that is on you.
He is going to really lose it when I point that Piccolo knows how to use the Mafuba technique, meaning that Piccolo can just trap the very soul of a Logia user into a sealed container for eternity. Drop the container into the ocean and the Logia user is screwed. He can defeat them even without ki blasts/beams.
Man, SkySanji must lose his mind every time Spider-Man whoops Sandman's arse in various media.
It was:
1) Another example of a Logia form being damaged through non-haki means.
2) Showing that a Logia form, even one not made out of solid physical matter like sand, can take damage from heat. What are DB ki blasts? They are explosive energy balls/beams made of light and heat.
If the likes of Ace can be burned and killed by magma, then he can be burned and killed by ki.
Aye, there is clearly a lot that you don't understand in general.
Ki disintegrates physical matter in its entirety. We see this all the time but it becomes especially important with hyper regeneration opponents like Cell and Buu. What is the likes of sand? A whole lot of small solid bits of physical matter.
What does disintegration mean in this context? It means being reduced to subatomic particles.
Can the likes of Crocodile's logia form be reduced to subatomic particles? Yes, his body is made of physical matter.
Can Crocodile's logia form be destroyed by disintegrating energy? Well considering it can take blunt force damage from a mere wet fisting then yes, it can be disintegrated without haki.
Is that simple enough for you to understand now?
How authors choose to portray how the exact same concept manifests itself in two different fictional universes doesn't change the fact that they are portraying the exact same concept.
They are both obviously based on this East Asian concept.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
Internal life force energy, being projected outwards by an individual to empower their attacks and whack their opponent.
It is exactly the same. If you are incapable of comprehending that then that is on you.
He is going to really lose it when I point that Piccolo knows how to use the Mafuba technique, meaning that Piccolo can just trap the very soul of a Logia user into a sealed container for eternity. Drop the container into the ocean and the Logia user is screwed. He can defeat them even without ki blasts/beams.
Man, SkySanji must lose his mind every time Spider-Man whoops Sandman's arse in various media.
The elemental weakness bypasses their logia ability, is Piccolo attacking with the element they're weak to? No.
Does Piccolo have the ability to damage them otherwise? No.
That's all that matters.
There being a very specific weakness to some logia users is irrelevant, Piccolo doesn't have the means to exploit it, he doesn't attack with water, nor is he made of rubber or magma, and again, these apply to specific logia, not all of them, what do water or rubber do to light?
Ace was damaged by Akainu because A. his fruit is just naturally superior on the fruit hierarchy and B. he specifically smothered Ace's flames, which is a real life concept, these are hyper specific cases, not general rules that Piccolo can exploit.
I'll say it for the dozenth time, stop with the shitty false equivalences, you keep pretending that because character A can do something then Piccolo can do it too which is not how it works.
Except logia don't just regenerate like Cell or Buu, they have a logia form and a real physical body which is otherwise intangible, damaging the logia form does nothing, the manga has shown this countless times.
Do logia have an innate weakness to ki blasts? No. Does that mean ki blasts aren't doing jack shit to them? Yes. Really simple stuff that you're completely failing to grasp.
If it's being portrayed in a vastly different way then it isn't the same is it, clown.
What you think they're based on doesn't mean shit to me, they function nothing at all like each other so why would one be capable of doing what the other can?
Post a panel of DBZ Piccolo using Mafuba
Does Piccolo have the ability to damage them otherwise? No.
That's all that matters.
There being a very specific weakness to some logia users is irrelevant, Piccolo doesn't have the means to exploit it, he doesn't attack with water, nor is he made of rubber or magma, and again, these apply to specific logia, not all of them, what do water or rubber do to light?
Ace was damaged by Akainu because A. his fruit is just naturally superior on the fruit hierarchy and B. he specifically smothered Ace's flames, which is a real life concept, these are hyper specific cases, not general rules that Piccolo can exploit.
I'll say it for the dozenth time, stop with the shitty false equivalences, you keep pretending that because character A can do something then Piccolo can do it too which is not how it works.
Except logia don't just regenerate like Cell or Buu, they have a logia form and a real physical body which is otherwise intangible, damaging the logia form does nothing, the manga has shown this countless times.
Do logia have an innate weakness to ki blasts? No. Does that mean ki blasts aren't doing jack shit to them? Yes. Really simple stuff that you're completely failing to grasp.
If it's being portrayed in a vastly different way then it isn't the same is it, clown.
What you think they're based on doesn't mean shit to me, they function nothing at all like each other so why would one be capable of doing what the other can?
He is going to really lose it when I point that Piccolo knows how to use the Mafuba technique, meaning that Piccolo can just trap the very soul of a Logia user into a sealed container for eternity. Drop the container into the ocean and the Logia user is screwed. He can defeat them even without ki blasts/beams.
Man, SkySanji must lose his mind every time Spider-Man whoops Sandman's arse in various media.
Man, SkySanji must lose his mind every time Spider-Man whoops Sandman's arse in various media.
Ace's devil fruit may have been inferior to Akainu's, but Akainu being flat-out stronger than Ace definitely played a role in why his magma-infused punch blew a hole straight through Ace. Akainu's use of Armament Haki may have also contributed to this, but the point still stands.
On the flip side, Whitebeard dealt a critical blow to Akainu that appeared to flatten him to the ground. This was simply a very powerful physical strike with no visible elemental properties.
Logia users being intangible is a bit of a stretch since they still get injured by physical attacks that can break through things instead of phasing straight through them.
How did Logia fruit users end up getting defeated in the first place?
On the flip side, Whitebeard dealt a critical blow to Akainu that appeared to flatten him to the ground. This was simply a very powerful physical strike with no visible elemental properties.
Logia users being intangible is a bit of a stretch since they still get injured by physical attacks that can break through things instead of phasing straight through them.
How did Logia fruit users end up getting defeated in the first place?