Controversial Who is the biggest hater/downplayer of every character?

[Franosuke]

It's Vergo-san to us plebs, get it right

 

[ZenZu]

@ZenZu Does Vergo hit harder than Kizaru?

He hits harder than what Kizaru was dishing out against Franky and them on Egghead for sure. This is not even up for debate.
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Isn’t it literally canon that Meme’s CoA >> Vergo’s since she was immune to Amputate and Shambles?

Well for 1 that means nothing, it's just overall haki. Oda invented that to stop Law's hax from ending the fight, they just have an overall level of haki where Law's hax can't operate.

We are talking about a sub category of a sub category. Armament hardening.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Weaker haki in what way?

..In the way that he got split in half by his hax??

 

[ZenZu]

..In the way that he got split in half by his hax??

Where was it stated that Law needs superior haki to split someone with his hax? Does Hancock have superior haki to Teach because he admitted she would turn him into stone?

And even if this is the case, again we are talking about hardening only. Not overall haki pool. Law does not have better armament hardening than Vergo.

 

[Shiroyru]

He hits harder than what Kizaru was dishing out against Franky and them on Egghead for sure. This is not even up for debate.
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Well for 1 that means nothing, it's just overall haki. Oda invented that to stop Law's hax from ending the fight, they just have an overall level of haki where Law's hax can't operate.

We are talking about a sub category of a sub category. Armament hardening.

And Kizaru wasn’t holding back against the SHs, so Vergo > Kizaru in AP

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Where was it stated that Law needs superior haki to split someone with his hax? Does Hancock have superior haki to Teach because he admitted she would turn him into stone?

And even if this is the case, again we are talking about hardening only. Not overall haki pool. Law does not have better armament hardening than Vergo.

..Did you not see him fail to move the Yonko because he didn't have Haki on their level??

 

[Shiroyru]

Where was it stated that Law needs superior haki to split someone with his hax? Does Hancock have superior haki to Teach because he admitted she would turn him into stone?

And even if this is the case, again we are talking about hardening only. Not overall haki pool. Law does not have better armament hardening than Vergo.

Bad example. Hancock may legit have > Haki than Teach.

 

[ZenZu]

..Did you not see him fail to move the Yonko because he didn't have Haki on their level??

Are you genuinely slow in the head? Did you not read the last like 5 posts?

Bad example. Hancock may legit have > Haki than Teach.

Concession accepted, you failed to address any other point.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

The more I did it the more I realized how much of a monster this character really was, even I kept finding new details, and the deeper into the story we got the more obvious it was that Vergo was an anomaly.

Thats why I tell you not to read a simple panel a hundred times. You overcomplicate things and reach to conclusions like Vergo's haki better than Big Mom's, CoA better than Kaido's, physical prowess better than Hancocks 😂😂

 

[ZenZu]

And Kizaru wasn’t holding back against the SHs, so Vergo > Kizaru in AP

He was I'm assuming, he did no damage to Bonney and Franky. Vergo would break those two in half with his jutte. At the very least those low lvl kicks from Kizaru aren't as hard hitting as Vergo's attacks. Kizaru needs to put in a lot more effort to do that.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Where was it stated that Law needs superior haki to split someone with his hax? Does Hancock have superior haki to Teach because he admitted she would turn him into stone?

And even if this is the case, again we are talking about hardening only. Not overall haki pool. Law does not have better armament hardening than Vergo.

Smoker vs Law starts with Smoker berating Tashigi saying she can’t block his sword because her haki isn’t strong enough as he then fully blocks Laws sword.

 

[Shiroyru]

He was I'm assuming, he did no damage to Bonney and Franky. Vergo would break those two in half with his jutte.

Bruh, he was literally trying to split Bonney and Kuma in half. He wasn’t holding back

 

[park_min young]

The Thunder Bagua did not connect to Law's head but his stomach, and it did so running through Zoro. Big Mom was pounding Law's head with 10+ punches and that was an already injured and exhausted Law.

Kaido killed blunt-resistant Luffy with a body shot using Roaring TB. Law endured a stronger version of the named attack that one shotted Luffy. Law was no where near done after the hybrid TB, he takes it whether it was on the head or not. There are no excuses.

 

[ZenZu]

Smoker vs Law starts with Smoker berating Tashigi saying she can’t block his sword because her haki isn’t strong enough as he then fully blocks Laws sword.

And yet Smoker is established to have weaker CoA than Vergo, this is not up for discussion.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Thats why I tell you not to read a simple panel a hundred times. You overcomplicate things and reach to conclusions like Vergo's haki better than Big Mom's, CoA better than Kaido's, physical prowess better than Hancocks 😂😂

Nah dawg you don't get it vet level Vergo who doesn't even have the feats to push a Biscuit Soldier past a low diff has better Armament than the Yonko because he coated his whole body in Armament Haki once (a Pica level feat btw)

 

[ZenZu]

Bruh, he was literally trying to split Bonney and Kuma in half. He wasn’t holding back

I'm talking about when he kicked Bonney and Franky. Keep up wtf are you talking about? Kizaru's light saber is obviously far deadlier than anything Vergo has.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And yet Smoker is established to have weaker CoA than Vergo, this is not up for discussion.

When he’s sandbagging to get Laws heart yeah, Vergos haki is stronger. However, going all out Smoker can actually block laws sword unlike Vergo.

Vergo just a plot merchant.

 

[Shiroyru]

I'm talking about when he kicked Bonney and Franky. Keep up wtf are you talking about? Kizaru's light saber is obviously far deadlier than anything Vergo has.

So he was pulling his punches when he kicked them because he didn’t want to kill them, bit was fully prepared to slice Bonney in half? Make it make sense

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Bruh, he was literally trying to split Bonney and Kuma in half. He wasn’t holding back

He put an act because of Saturn, Franky isn't more durable than exoskeleton Sanji lmao

 

[ZenZu]

When he’s sandbagging to get Laws heart yeah, Vergos haki is stronger. However, going all out Smoker can actually block laws sword unlike Vergo.

Vergo just a plot merchant.

This might be the dumbest post yet in this thread. Smoker does not have superior CoA to Vergo. It's made clear in the manga, Oda didn't draw all that for the conclusion to be Smoker > Vergo in armament.

To begin with if Smoker could KO Vergo he would do that, then take Law's heart by force. Clearly he knew he couldn't get Law's heart back by simply beating Vergo, so he had to steal it mid fight.