Le Fishe Thread As a Sanji fan, it hurts me to see that Oda is yet to give my man a good coo feat other than some brown rice dodging n massage parlour finding coo

[Boiroy]

I was told that my man is a coo specialist, where tf is his acoo? Even some moochi diabetic fucker has it, but what about reincarnation of Gaban, the left hand cook man 😔
I'm losing my faith 😔
Console me 😔

@Roronoa-sama @Warchief Sanji D Goat @mly90 @MonochromeYoru @Embers Kaios @Infitima @SakazOuki

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Soon.... soon.....

Spoiler

 

[SakazOuki]

It is time to join Jinbe agenda

 

[MonsterKaido]

Damn. Le Fishe has his own prefix for a thread?

 

[trav]

Oda only said that CoO was his best haki.
Since he never even showed koka I am unsure what you expected from his CoO?

Its all good though. He can tank sword strikes from YC2 now without even looking.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Well his CoO is strong enough to counter FS.
He did dodge Katakuri bean pretty easily.

Base form ,
Luffy - CoC
Zoro - CoA
Sanji - CoO

Advanced form
AdCoA, AdCoO - Luffy
AdCoC - Zoro , Luffy

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Oda only said that CoO was his best haki.
Since he never even showed koka I am unsure what you expected from his CoO?
Its all good though. He can tank sword strikes from YC2 now without even looking.

Maybe just maybe the fact that Sanji almost always wears dark colored clothes in a black and white manga makes it a little bit hard to to tell whether he's using it or not as opposed Sanji somehow not being able to use an ability that almost every haki user in the new world can use
Fact that this is still a ting even now is baffling to me

Anyways on OT, Sanji's already shown an advanced application of CoO when he evaded Kat's jelly bean which was a feat Luffy was only able to accomplish just prior to learning FS.

Identical panels even up to the reactions but mofos would claim it's speed
He was also the only one that was able to sense that Robin wasn't on Elbaf which is a pretty insane given how big the island is irregardless of whether that type of CoO is characteristic to Sanji.
I don't think Sanji is ever gonna get the kinda panel time Oda dedicated to Luffy to learn FS coz he's simply not the main character. He will just show shit when he needs to (example being the panel above). Should be pretty obvious that Sanji is pretty skilled at CoO if you're actually paying attention and not being disingenuous. With regards to FS in particular I reckon he'd show it as some point or maybe even some other new OP CoO ability in the future when he faces an opponent that requires him to flex it.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Identical panels even up to the reactions but mofos would claim it's speed

Again it's not AdCoO ,
He has strong CoO better than Luffy and Zoro.

AdCoO is completely different thing, if he had it , we would have seen it by now.

 

[Boiroy]

Again it's not AdCoO ,
He has strong CoO better than Luffy and Zoro.

AdCoO is completely different thing, if he had it , we would have seen it by now.

As a Sanji fan
It hurts me to see that my boy is such a weakling 🤢

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Again it's not AdCoO ,
He has strong CoO better than Luffy and Zoro.

AdCoO is completely different thing, if he had it , we would have seen it by now.

"Advanced CoO" is a term the fanbase coined for CoO in the end it all translates to mastery of it.
The feat Luffy showed against Flampe wasn't something he was capable of doing prior to his grueling match with Kat which heightened his concentration to insane levels so it is not a basic application of CoO, which Luffy was already capable at the end of his training with Ray.

Just like we had several steps to advancing armament mastery (i.e. basic coating -> barrier -> internal damage) is it really that difficult to comprehend that CoO is also similar? Moreover, even with armament Haki the first person in the series that actually show us a level of haki beyond regular armament was Kat with his block Mochi but mofos on here won't even acknowledge it as advanced coz it doesn't fit their established headcanon of what advanced armament is. Haki is diverse and there are several ways of applying it. If you can utilize it beyond basic coating and basic sensing it is already by definition advanced. It being a level below FS doesn't mean it isn't an advanced application. Just like internal destruction haki being above barrier haki doesn't make the latter any less advanced.

I mean if some other ability that trumps FS is introduced. Let's say observation haki killing for instance, is FS suddenly going to not become an advanced application of CoO?

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Advanced CoO is a term the fanbase coined

Fanbase coined it for easy understanding lol.

Just like internal destruction haki being above barrier haki doesn't make the latter less advanced.

Those are two different Application.
There's no above or below here.
ID was hurting Kaidou
And Barrier was helping luffy Block AdCoC strikes.

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I mean if some other ability that trumps FS is introduced. Let's say observation haki killing for instance, is FS suddenly going to not become an advanced application of CoO?

Isn't Observation killing counted under CoC application. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Fanbase coined it for easy understanding lol.

Fair enough but that doesn't necessarily mean we should run with it and throw all logic out the window based on some people's contrived definition of it.

Those are two different Application.
There's no above or below here.
ID was hurting Kaidou
And Barrier was helping luffy Block AdCoC strikes.

Barrier Haki was only step 2 of Luffy's armament training on Udon, a level he had to accomplish prior to internal destruction (i.e step 3 the final step something that I don’t think even Hyo who was training him was capable of) so going by that very process it's a higher level of mastery. In the same vein, Luffy being able to dodge Flampe's silent bullet subconsciously even whilst being occupied with Kat was also a stepping stone to accomplishing FS.

You're literally proving my point with your notion on barrier haki vs internal destruction.

What's your take on block mochi btw? Advanced or not?

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Barrier Haki was only step 2 of Luffy's armament training on Udon, a level he had to accomplish prior to internal destruction (i.e step 3 the final step something that I don’t think even Hyo who was training him was capable of) so going by that very process it's a higher level of mastery. In the same vein, Luffy being able to dodge Flampe's silent bullet subconsciously even whilst being occupied with Kat was also a stepping stone to accomplishing FS.

I don't see it that way.

For Advanced Armanent application ,
You need ryou , now ryou divided into two parts , both cases , Haki is flowed out of hands ,
But One is used for Defensive purpose and another for Offensive.

What's your take on block mochi btw? Advanced or not?

Not Advanced Armanent.
Ryou is just the flow. Not Advanced type.

If Block Mochi was ID or Barrier. I would have said otherwise.

 

[Salah WG]

Kata's Jelly Beans don't travel in time lol
Sanji simply sees a Jelly Bean coming his way & He dodges,

Sanji himself never talked about his CoO, dunno why his Fans expect anything crazy of it,
I'd rather see Usopp improve his CoO who must Fight from Safe Distance/Position, rather than Sanji who was given a Body to eat Attacks

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I don't see it that way.

For Advanced Armanent application ,
You need ryou , now ryou divided into two parts , both cases , Haki is flowed out of hands ,
But One is used for Defensive purpose and another for Offensive.

Barrier Haki can both be used to attack and defend, it is not exclusive to just defending.
Ray showed that to us already when he was training Luffy. Also by composition it is literally just a haki barrier over regular coating so it can also boost attack power. It is not as simple as one is for attack and one is for defense. Being able to use barrier Haki doesn't automatically allow you to be able to use internal destruction. However the opposite is true but I digress.

Not Advanced Armanent.
Ryou is just the flow. Not Advanced type.

If Block Mochi was ID or Barrier. I would have said otherwise.

I agree, Ryou (release) is a method which allows it's user to be able to apply armament haki in different ways but what does this have to do with Katakuri's block mochi?
Katakuri is able to make his mochi very hard not simply coating his mochi with armament but fusing it. Sounds like an advanced application to me. Fact that Ryou, a technique that seems to be have been created by the Samurai who live in the bonnies is not being utilized by someone who lives on another side of the continent to take one's armament to the next level doesn't make said process inferior to Ryou.
Barrier Haki > Basic Armament just like Block Mochi > Basic Armament, they are both applications beyond basic.

 

[trav]

Maybe just maybe the fact that Sanji almost always wears dark colored clothes in a black and white manga

Even in clothes that are not black Sanji never showed it. Oda also never had a problem to show CoA coating on dark or black stuff before.

already shown an advanced application of CoO

That is the most basic application of CoO.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Even in clothes that are not black Sanji never showed it. Oda also never had a problem to show CoA coating on dark or black stuff before.

I wanna use the compium smiley but think we are already way past that at this point
Well you're free to believe what you want

That is the most basic application of CoO.

 

[trav]

free to believe

It is not based on believe. It is what the manga has shown us.
Oda had no trouble drawing black haired Vergo in full body CoA and we could easily tell where the outline of his black hair ended and the CoA began because of the white highlighting.
Its does not matter which color the clothes or anything else has.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Damn. Le Fishe has his own prefix for a thread?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

It is not based on believe. It is what the manga has shown us.
Oda had no trouble drawing black haired Vergo in full body CoA and we could easily tell where the outline of his black hair ended and the CoA began because of the white highlighting.
Its does not matter which color the clothes or anything else has.

Vergo's fit is white so it's much easier to show the contrast. Moreover not only does Sanji not only always wear dark colored clothes, he also coats his legs in flames which makes it that much harder to tell. I'm pretty sure there are some panels somewhere in Wano or on whole cake where he was either wearing white or a kimono that show him utilizing it but again I'm sure the argument will probably be it's too small to see 💀 been through this with y'all before and I honestly can't be arsed to go on that wild goose chase on what I think is an obtuse argument in the first place (no offense to you personally). Crazy to me that anyone that isn't being disingenuous would opt for the possibility of Sanji not being able to use an ability as common as armament hardening over the more logical argument I've presented above but I digress.