Speculations 20 Chapters In: We Still Haven’t Met The Main Villain Of Elbaf Or Luffy’s Fight
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I believe Elbaph is a two part arc, and that we'll head back to Wano for Pluton soon.
The interesting thing to me is this page/panel:
"Overstay" implies the danger is time based.
If this means that Time passes differently in Elbaph than it does in the outside world, that means that when we leave, Teach might have already taken over Wano (but doesn't know how to activate Pluton, yet).
IMO Shiki is Mosa, but I think he's more geared for Pluton/Act 4, because Shiki wanted an Ancient Weapon in Chapter 0 (why he wanted to recruit Roger; Kaido/Linlin parallel, two Yonkou and an Ancient Weapon). Shiki will be big in Elbaph, but not huge.
I think Zoro stills kills Kaido in Act 4.
Loki doesn't know that Kaido and Linlin lost, IMO: who gave him a WEJ newspaper? His human followers walking around in rotting animal carcasses to avoid getting eaten? No.
I think Loki wanted to ally with a Yonkou in the past, and that's why Shanks shut him down. Loki liked Lola, but, after Linlin lied, Loki (who IMO hates lying/disloyalty), wanted to ally with Kaido. I fully believe Loki is Kaido's brother, and that Loki came to realize this, and hated Harald over it, believing him to have given Kaido up willingly.
Linlin views Kaido as a brother...
Zoro still doesn't know he's a Shimotsuki; IMO, Zoro's parents went back to Wano, and died fighting Kaido, after they heard what happened.
Shimotsuki Kozaburo left Wano 55 years ago; Zoro was born 21 years ago, 1 year before Kaido fully took over Wano by killing Oden.
Zoro's father, Arashi, left Wano once he heard of Oden's death from remnants that fled Wano after Kaido took over.
Kaido killed Zoro's dad. Koshiro more or less knows this, but didn't want Zoro to rush to Wano to die, like he would have to get revenge.
Once Zoro realizes Kaido killed his dad and took over his country, and killed his relative, Ushimaru, he'll want blood.
Zoro killing Kaido, Linlin/Loki's brother figure, will cause them to unite
Loki + Big Mom will be big players in Elbaph Act 2 as villains
Shamrock is the big villain of Act 1, IMO; Garling might also show up, since we need to see his Youkai form after Imu gives him the EVIL POWERSSSSSSS
We also haven't see shit from Elbaph's Army; Linlin/Marines considered it to be the most powerful Army in the world.
Elbaph worships war/might: Elbaph's Army is in Heaven/Astral World.
From Arlong, to Enel, to Enies Lobby, to Wano, the bad guy is always in a palace at the top of the island they're conquering.
Elbaph's Army is the opposite of Saul/The Owl Library/Walrus School: they're battle crazed lunatics, who worship war above everything else, and miss the good ole days.
IMO, that's where Kidd and Shanks are; partying up in Heaven World, because Elbaph is indebted to Roger in some way and likes Shanks (might have to do with Rocks, since we know Rocks invaded the country, and nearly killed Loki, and Roger beat him). Since Shanks is Roger's kid, and Roger killed Rocks, the Elbaph Army loves Shanks.
The Elbaph elite hate Hajrudin because he doesn't have pure Elbaph blood, and his mother wasn't from Elbaph. IMO, if Luffy wasn't friends with Hajrudin, he would have been invited up to Heaven World.
The Elbaph Army is partying up there, celebrating Kidd/Law beating Linlin; I think Kidd hates Shamrock, not Shanks, so, Shanks/Kidd should have squashed their beef, and are drunk as fuck up there.
Elbaph's Army should be a big focus as enemies, as well.
Since Lighting/Fire are weaknesses, I believe we'll see Akainu here, at some point, and Enel. Aramaki just makes sense, too, with the Giant Tree Yggdrasil being such a key feature to the island.
So:
Elbaph Act 1 Enemies =
-Shamrock
-Garling
-God's Knights
-Shiki (and Enel if he's working with Shiki, which I think he is)
Elbaph Act 2 Enemies (Post Pluton) =
-Shiki + Enel
-Akainu + Aramaki
-Linlin + Loki
-Elbaph Army
Something in me screams Enel is showing up soon. Hope I'm right. I think Akainu is going to defect after Wano Act 4, and Aramaki will go with him. Possible the WG takes over the Marines directly if they keep fucking up like they did at Egghead.
The interesting thing to me is this page/panel:
"Overstay" implies the danger is time based.
If this means that Time passes differently in Elbaph than it does in the outside world, that means that when we leave, Teach might have already taken over Wano (but doesn't know how to activate Pluton, yet).
IMO Shiki is Mosa, but I think he's more geared for Pluton/Act 4, because Shiki wanted an Ancient Weapon in Chapter 0 (why he wanted to recruit Roger; Kaido/Linlin parallel, two Yonkou and an Ancient Weapon). Shiki will be big in Elbaph, but not huge.
I think Zoro stills kills Kaido in Act 4.
Loki doesn't know that Kaido and Linlin lost, IMO: who gave him a WEJ newspaper? His human followers walking around in rotting animal carcasses to avoid getting eaten? No.
I think Loki wanted to ally with a Yonkou in the past, and that's why Shanks shut him down. Loki liked Lola, but, after Linlin lied, Loki (who IMO hates lying/disloyalty), wanted to ally with Kaido. I fully believe Loki is Kaido's brother, and that Loki came to realize this, and hated Harald over it, believing him to have given Kaido up willingly.
Linlin views Kaido as a brother...
Zoro still doesn't know he's a Shimotsuki; IMO, Zoro's parents went back to Wano, and died fighting Kaido, after they heard what happened.
Shimotsuki Kozaburo left Wano 55 years ago; Zoro was born 21 years ago, 1 year before Kaido fully took over Wano by killing Oden.
Zoro's father, Arashi, left Wano once he heard of Oden's death from remnants that fled Wano after Kaido took over.
Kaido killed Zoro's dad. Koshiro more or less knows this, but didn't want Zoro to rush to Wano to die, like he would have to get revenge.
Once Zoro realizes Kaido killed his dad and took over his country, and killed his relative, Ushimaru, he'll want blood.
Zoro killing Kaido, Linlin/Loki's brother figure, will cause them to unite
Loki + Big Mom will be big players in Elbaph Act 2 as villains
Shamrock is the big villain of Act 1, IMO; Garling might also show up, since we need to see his Youkai form after Imu gives him the EVIL POWERSSSSSSS
We also haven't see shit from Elbaph's Army; Linlin/Marines considered it to be the most powerful Army in the world.
Elbaph worships war/might: Elbaph's Army is in Heaven/Astral World.
From Arlong, to Enel, to Enies Lobby, to Wano, the bad guy is always in a palace at the top of the island they're conquering.
Elbaph's Army is the opposite of Saul/The Owl Library/Walrus School: they're battle crazed lunatics, who worship war above everything else, and miss the good ole days.
IMO, that's where Kidd and Shanks are; partying up in Heaven World, because Elbaph is indebted to Roger in some way and likes Shanks (might have to do with Rocks, since we know Rocks invaded the country, and nearly killed Loki, and Roger beat him). Since Shanks is Roger's kid, and Roger killed Rocks, the Elbaph Army loves Shanks.
The Elbaph elite hate Hajrudin because he doesn't have pure Elbaph blood, and his mother wasn't from Elbaph. IMO, if Luffy wasn't friends with Hajrudin, he would have been invited up to Heaven World.
The Elbaph Army is partying up there, celebrating Kidd/Law beating Linlin; I think Kidd hates Shamrock, not Shanks, so, Shanks/Kidd should have squashed their beef, and are drunk as fuck up there.
Elbaph's Army should be a big focus as enemies, as well.
Since Lighting/Fire are weaknesses, I believe we'll see Akainu here, at some point, and Enel. Aramaki just makes sense, too, with the Giant Tree Yggdrasil being such a key feature to the island.
So:
Elbaph Act 1 Enemies =
-Shamrock
-Garling
-God's Knights
-Shiki (and Enel if he's working with Shiki, which I think he is)
Elbaph Act 2 Enemies (Post Pluton) =
-Shiki + Enel
-Akainu + Aramaki
-Linlin + Loki
-Elbaph Army
Something in me screams Enel is showing up soon. Hope I'm right. I think Akainu is going to defect after Wano Act 4, and Aramaki will go with him. Possible the WG takes over the Marines directly if they keep fucking up like they did at Egghead.
His father and his grandfather are both from east blue while his grandmother from father side is from wano. I think oda is trying to connect zoro to shimotsuki by culture and not lineage
That’s why he doesn’t know his grandma or her relatives
Zoro's grandma is Shimotsuki Furiko
This is in SBS 105, BTW: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_105#Chapter_1062,_Page_132
Zoro is a Shimotsuki, he and the people of Wano just have no idea that he is one.
Edit: Arashi "died in a battle with Pirates"
The Beast Pirates. Zoro's father, Roronoa Arashi, died fighting the Beast Pirates in Wano, after hearing the country had fallen, I believe.
Zoro's grandfather Pinzoro lived on the Island Shimotsuki Village was founded on. The Shimotsuki settlers saved the island from a pirate attack, then founded Shimotsuki Village. Arashi was born between Pinzoro from that island marrying Furiko, a Shimotsuki clanswoman who had travelled from Wano.
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No, I am saying Shamrock could have, idk, been taking other children while Gaban showed up. There were a million way to have him on the island and then having him making a badass entrance vs Gaban.
Not to mention, my real point Is anyway that Shamrock Is a EoS viallin. He could have not fallen here.
Not to mention, my real point Is anyway that Shamrock Is a EoS viallin. He could have not fallen here.
Oda made Ushimaru and Ryuuma look just like Zoro for a reason lol. Zoro is literally a Shimotsuki by genetics regardless. He just doesn't have the Shimotsuki surname as his grandmother was the Shimotsuki and thus she would take the Roronoa name in marriage and her son with Pinzoro (lmao) is Roronoa instead of Shimotsuki by surname and thus so is our favourite Marimo.
He was even raised in "Shimotsuki Village".
Shimotsuki Village[1] is a village in East Blue and Roronoa Zoro's homeland. It was founded by pirates, around 55 years ago.[2]
The village was named after Shimotsuki Kouzaburou, a member of the Shimotsuki Family from Wano Country and one of the village's aforementioned founders.
Its kinda like how Hyuugas had the main family and the branch family or w/e too in Naruto I guess? Depending how this plays out?
Not to mention Zoro fought his own doppelganger and legendary ancestor the "Sword God" himself Ryuuma ofc. And was bequeathed his sword by beating him. Almost like it was an ancestral inheritance, being passed down to the one who truly deserves it especially under typical/traditional Japanese beliefs?
Although this makes it awkward for people think he had a crush on Kuina and I think the anime made that more "obvious" too?
I do agree that Shamrock seem like a EoS villain and we can't be certain if he will be back .
As for loki i was never certain if he would be the main villain .
Like the man had no crew or nothing else.
Would just be him vs luffy while rest of SH and nation do nothing and then fight don't really even have any stakes .
As for loki i was never certain if he would be the main villain .
Like the man had no crew or nothing else.
Would just be him vs luffy while rest of SH and nation do nothing and then fight don't really even have any stakes .