General & Others The monter trio never disappeared
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I mainly think it just means they’re the next line of defense after the “wings”. With them being capable of stepping up to the plate when need be
Tho in Jinbe’s case I do think he’s a bit more special
While yeah Zoro Sanji and Jinbe are Luffy’s equivalent of the 123 commander trope oda has I also think they’re each one better
Zoro Sanji and Jinbe being Luffy’s all star equivalent is true
I’ve said it before but imo
Imo Sanji and his rivalries with the 2 of them help prove it even more
Usopp isn’t the 3rd strongest
Tho in Jinbe’s case I do think he’s a bit more special
While yeah Zoro Sanji and Jinbe are Luffy’s equivalent of the 123 commander trope oda has I also think they’re each one better
Zoro Sanji and Jinbe being Luffy’s all star equivalent is true
I’ve said it before but imo
- Zoro is similar to both Yamato and king (Oden and Rayleigh)
- Sanji to both king and queen (Rayleigh and Gaban)
- Jinbe to queen and Jack (tho tbh idk if he’ll stay 3rd strongest)
- Him being closer to Jack under normal circumstances but closer to Queen depending on the environment
Imo Sanji and his rivalries with the 2 of them help prove it even more
Usopp isn’t the 3rd strongest
With what? 
Yh right
disagreement with your opinion is inferiority complex
disagreement with your opinion is inferiority complex
Zoro Fans: "See the Supernovas? Sanji doesn't belong here. What do you mean the Monster Trio is a thing?"
Sanji Fans: "See the Monster Trio? Jimbei doesn't belong here. What do you mean the billion bounty club is a thing?"
Zoro Fans: "Lol. Did you see Sanji's fail against Doflamingo [who used hax]?"
Sanji Fans: "Lol. Did you see Jimbei fail against Gunko [who used hax]?"
Zoro Fans: "Hehehe! Sanji said, 'save me Robin.'"
Sanji Fans: "Hehehe! Nami called Jimbei out for being weak."
You're conflating a lot of tings and making a lot of false claims here.
First and foremost Sanji fans are not the only ones that clown Jinbe, some Zoro fans do as well as other neutral fanbases.
So this Sanji fans hate/downplay Jinbe coz xxx is a false flag.
I'm not sure what this comparison is supposed to be the Supernova and the Monster Trio are completely different concepts. One is a concept that was established based on a 100mil bounty threshold all the way back on Shabondy pre-ts. Irregardless of how strong Sanji is, he cannot become a Supernova. Regardless Sanji has long proven to be much stronger than the lot of the supernova so that title has no bearing on how strong Sanji is, whereas with the Monster Trio is quite literally the title for the strongest SHs, to which Jinbe can lay claim to whenever he wants and force it into the monster quartet if he proves to be strong enough to do so. If Jinbe is unable to force himself into monster trio or force it into the monster quartet like tons of powerful additions to the SHs in the likes of Robin or Franky and failed to do then it just means that Jinbe is simply not strong enough to do so.
Moreover the billion bounty club is a ting but it has not relation to the "monster trio". Jack is also part of the million dollar club for instance you think he breaks the monster trio or forces it into the monster quartet?
Can't speak for all Sanji fans but from my perspective, Jinbe losing to Gunko's hax is whatever. In the first place Gunko is commander level and maybe even potentially even top commander level so Jinbe losing to a character of that ilk isn't really a big deal to me. That said however, his lack of effort and utter useless even in the face of the dire situation in front of him is a massive L and worthy of criticism. Losing to hax is not a big deal, even Luffy loses to hax from time to time.
This is also an apples to orange comparison.
Nami calling out Jinbe for being weak is quite literally the nail in the coffin for monster quartet advocates like yourself as it implies that even as strong as he is, he doesn't quite measure up to the monster trio.
Where as the Sanji Robin ting ironically enough was the what actually birthed the title "wings of the pirate king" title in the manga
and further solidified Sanji's position in the monster trio as well as his relativity to Zoro.
If you gave the Sanji detractors that mocked him for doing so the ability to chose whether or not that scene happened, reckon they'd opt for the latter given the consequences of it lol
There is reason why the Zoro fans that mock Sanji for that are Zoro fans and I'm a Sanji fan for instance, I'm able to appreciate moments of characterization like that from characters. 'I'm useless in the current situation due to my inability to hit women but I'm lucky enough to have strong nakama that can help cover for such weakness', I don't know about you from a Sanji/Robin standpoint that is pretty dope scene.
First and foremost Sanji fans are not the only ones that clown Jinbe, some Zoro fans do as well as other neutral fanbases.
So this Sanji fans hate/downplay Jinbe coz xxx is a false flag.
I'm not sure what this comparison is supposed to be the Supernova and the Monster Trio are completely different concepts. One is a concept that was established based on a 100mil bounty threshold all the way back on Shabondy pre-ts. Irregardless of how strong Sanji is, he cannot become a Supernova. Regardless Sanji has long proven to be much stronger than the lot of the supernova so that title has no bearing on how strong Sanji is, whereas with the Monster Trio is quite literally the title for the strongest SHs, to which Jinbe can lay claim to whenever he wants and force it into the monster quartet if he proves to be strong enough to do so. If Jinbe is unable to force himself into monster trio or force it into the monster quartet like tons of powerful additions to the SHs in the likes of Robin or Franky and failed to do then it just means that Jinbe is simply not strong enough to do so.
Moreover the billion bounty club is a ting but it has not relation to the "monster trio". Jack is also part of the million dollar club for instance you think he breaks the monster trio or forces it into the monster quartet?
Can't speak for all Sanji fans but from my perspective, Jinbe losing to Gunko's hax is whatever. In the first place Gunko is commander level and maybe even potentially even top commander level so Jinbe losing to a character of that ilk isn't really a big deal to me. That said however, his lack of effort and utter useless even in the face of the dire situation in front of him is a massive L and worthy of criticism. Losing to hax is not a big deal, even Luffy loses to hax from time to time.
This is also an apples to orange comparison.
Nami calling out Jinbe for being weak is quite literally the nail in the coffin for monster quartet advocates like yourself as it implies that even as strong as he is, he doesn't quite measure up to the monster trio.
Where as the Sanji Robin ting ironically enough was the what actually birthed the title "wings of the pirate king" title in the manga
and further solidified Sanji's position in the monster trio as well as his relativity to Zoro.If you gave the Sanji detractors that mocked him for doing so the ability to chose whether or not that scene happened, reckon they'd opt for the latter given the consequences of it lol
There is reason why the Zoro fans that mock Sanji for that are Zoro fans and I'm a Sanji fan for instance, I'm able to appreciate moments of characterization like that from characters. 'I'm useless in the current situation due to my inability to hit women but I'm lucky enough to have strong nakama that can help cover for such weakness', I don't know about you from a Sanji/Robin standpoint that is pretty dope scene.
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You say that, but this is you throughout your essay.
Sanji Fans: "See the Monster Trio? Jimbei doesn't belong here. What do you mean the billion bounty club is a thing?"
You:
Sanji Fans: "Lol. Did you see Jimbei fail against Gunko [who used hax]?"
You:
Sanji Fans: "Hehehe! Nami called Jimbei out for being weak."
You:
This you?
Sanji Fans: "See the Monster Trio? Jimbei doesn't belong here. What do you mean the billion bounty club is a thing?"
You:
Sanji Fans: "Lol. Did you see Jimbei fail against Gunko [who used hax]?"
You:
Sanji Fans: "Hehehe! Nami called Jimbei out for being weak."
You:
Post automatically merged:
Sanji haters: "M3 is dead. Character X replaced Sanji"
Sanji fans: "No."
Sanji haters: "OMG INFERIORITY COMPLEX! THEY HATE CHARACTER X"
Sanji fans: "No."
Sanji haters: "OMG INFERIORITY COMPLEX! THEY HATE CHARACTER X"
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Neither Zoro or Sanji fans truly acknowledge Jinbe’s strength and role in the crew. Him being easily dismissed by most of those fandoms like a Luffy opponent or even someone like oden where they both have something to gain by downplaying them
Zoro fans don’t acknowledge Jinbe really at all unless they can use him to get Sanji fans mad. Saying stuff like Jinbe is stronger, more important, and kicked Sanji out of the monster trio aka bait
Sanji fans do resent Jinbe in a similar way Zoro fans resent Sanji. Despite all the moments oda goes out of his way to pair them up
Zoro and Sanji moments don’t erase Sanji and Jinbe moments
Captain and his wings moments don’t erase potential moments of the captain and his top 3
They can all coexist
Zoro fans don’t acknowledge Jinbe really at all unless they can use him to get Sanji fans mad. Saying stuff like Jinbe is stronger, more important, and kicked Sanji out of the monster trio aka bait
Sanji fans do resent Jinbe in a similar way Zoro fans resent Sanji. Despite all the moments oda goes out of his way to pair them up
- Zoro fans act like only his moments with Luffy matter while the ones with Sanji aren’t or are just a gag
- To Sanji fans zoro is his luffy and Jinbe his Sanji
Zoro and Sanji moments don’t erase Sanji and Jinbe moments
Captain and his wings moments don’t erase potential moments of the captain and his top 3
They can all coexist
