I also find this panel hilarious
First Robin asks where M3 Infront of Jinbei who is laying on his ass
Second he asks Robin what she is doing and she literally tells him that she can't just sit here and do nothing
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I also find this panel hilarious
First Robin asks where M3 Infront of Jinbei who is laying on his ass
Second he asks Robin what she is doing and she literally tells him that she can't just sit here and do nothing
Not really.
I’m a Sanji fan and I’m well aware that as much as there is a Sanji/Zoro dynamic & a wings dynamic there is also a Luffy/Zoro dynamic so ignoring obvious dynamics for agenda ain’t my mo. That said this so called Luffy & his 3 commanders dynamic is a myth & there are strong reasons to think so like I’ve already pointed out in my previous post. At some point on Wano, I also thought Oda could potentially utilize this model with Jinbe joining and I personally have no qualms with it tbh. Doesn’t really affect Sanji in anyway. That said, however it’s become pretty evident that Oda isn’t going that route.
In the first place, even amongst the current Yonko crews there is a lot of diversity with regards to how they are set up. Linlin had had 4 Sweet Commanders prior to Snack's defeat to Kidd where as Kaido has 3 Calamities, Shanks has 10 commanders amongst which 3 in particular that stand out and Teach has 10 titanic captains so there is no set format. Amongst all of the aforementioned if we are gonna be modelling the SHs over an it'd be the Red Hair Pirates or the Blackbeard Pirates (i.e not 3 commanders but 10 with a few standout members) but even then the only similarity the SHs really have with them is the number of members. The hierarchal structure is not the same and the SHs are not a direct parallel to them so using them as a model is not right either.
We however have a crew that is a direct parallel to the SHs and mirror the exact same dynamic and they do not have 3 top commanders but rather two in Ray and Gaban whom of which are said to be comparable to Roger just like the M3 dynamic unlike the Yonko crews y'all are so eager to model the SHs over.
A new strong member joining is not evidence of the crew dynamic changing and it won't be first time a new member joined and had a higher bounty than Sanji or even Zoro for that matter but even then it never broke the current crew dynamics.
The fact that y'all suddenly think Luffy is gonna become this type of boss figure all of a sudden because he became a Yonko even though the SHs are nothing like that is weird.
Again I have nothing against the 3 commander structure but that at this point that is simply fandom headcanon and I think this will be very evident by the end of the Elbaf arc
I’m a Sanji fan and I’m well aware that as much as there is a Sanji/Zoro dynamic & a wings dynamic there is also a Luffy/Zoro dynamic so ignoring obvious dynamics for agenda ain’t my mo. That said this so called Luffy & his 3 commanders dynamic is a myth & there are strong reasons to think so like I’ve already pointed out in my previous post. At some point on Wano, I also thought Oda could potentially utilize this model with Jinbe joining and I personally have no qualms with it tbh. Doesn’t really affect Sanji in anyway. That said, however it’s become pretty evident that Oda isn’t going that route.
In the first place, even amongst the current Yonko crews there is a lot of diversity with regards to how they are set up. Linlin had had 4 Sweet Commanders prior to Snack's defeat to Kidd where as Kaido has 3 Calamities, Shanks has 10 commanders amongst which 3 in particular that stand out and Teach has 10 titanic captains so there is no set format. Amongst all of the aforementioned if we are gonna be modelling the SHs over an it'd be the Red Hair Pirates or the Blackbeard Pirates (i.e not 3 commanders but 10 with a few standout members) but even then the only similarity the SHs really have with them is the number of members. The hierarchal structure is not the same and the SHs are not a direct parallel to them so using them as a model is not right either.
We however have a crew that is a direct parallel to the SHs and mirror the exact same dynamic and they do not have 3 top commanders but rather two in Ray and Gaban whom of which are said to be comparable to Roger just like the M3 dynamic unlike the Yonko crews y'all are so eager to model the SHs over.
A new strong member joining is not evidence of the crew dynamic changing and it won't be first time a new member joined and had a higher bounty than Sanji or even Zoro for that matter but even then it never broke the current crew dynamics.
The fact that y'all suddenly think Luffy is gonna become this type of boss figure all of a sudden because he became a Yonko even though the SHs are nothing like that is weird.
Again I have nothing against the 3 commander structure but that at this point that is simply fandom headcanon and I think this will be very evident by the end of the Elbaf arc
It’s not about Luffy acting like a boss that goes out of his way to give the crew more structured positions
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
It’s not about Luffy acting like a boss that goes out of his way to give the crew more structured positions
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
3rd most realiable my buttcheeks lol
Just gonna assume you either mispoke or are trolling on the bolded bit.
Otherwise you gotta give me what you're smoking coz that's some good as weed lol
With regards to your images, for the second one I already commented on Jinbe's bounty in my very first post in this thread.
Without Shichibukai tax let's see if he keeps up with Zoro and Sanji on the next significant bounty raises.
On the first panel, I could make the same type of argument you're making with this.
This video above is the same exact same situation as that panel, I don't see you making an argument for Usopp.
I'm not really gonna comment on you trying to conflate the trio dynamics on the SHs as I've already debunked that argument in my previous post. If your argument is that Jinbe is a stand out subordinate under Luffy like Zoro and Sanji is then fair enuff, I won't refute that. At the very least that was the case for him up until Elbaf where he is clearly being put below those 2.
Also stop it with the Roger Pirates ting lol you ain't gas lighting nobody. Roger Pirates dynamics are clear for everybody to see there is no hidden cranny that is gonna change what has already been established about them this arc.
Huh?
3rd most realiable my buttcheeks lol
Just gonna assume you either mispoke or are trolling on the bolded bit.
Otherwise you gotta give me what you're smoking coz that's some good as weed lol
With regards to your images, for the second one I already commented on Jinbe's bounty in my very first post in this thread.
Without Shichibukai tax let's see if he keeps up with Zoro and Sanji on the next significant bounty raises.
On the first panel, I could make the same type of argument you're making with this.
It's very easy to build a narrative with an image deviod of context.
This video above is the same exact same situation as that panel, I don't see you making an argument for Usopp.
I'm not really gonna comment on you trying to conflate the trio dynamics on the SHs as I've already debunked that argument in my previous post. If your argument is that Jinbe is a stand out subordinate under Luffy like Zoro and Sanji is then fair enuff, I won't refute that. At the very least that was the case for him up until Elbaf where he is clearly being put below those 2.
Also stop it with the Roger Pirates ting lol you ain't gas lighting nobody. Roger Pirates dynamics are clear for everybody to see there is no hidden cranny that is gonna change what has already been established about them this arc.
3rd most realiable my buttcheeks lol
Just gonna assume you either mispoke or are trolling on the bolded bit.
Otherwise you gotta give me what you're smoking coz that's some good as weed lol
With regards to your images, for the second one I already commented on Jinbe's bounty in my very first post in this thread.
Without Shichibukai tax let's see if he keeps up with Zoro and Sanji on the next significant bounty raises.
On the first panel, I could make the same type of argument you're making with this.
This video above is the same exact same situation as that panel, I don't see you making an argument for Usopp.
I'm not really gonna comment on you trying to conflate the trio dynamics on the SHs as I've already debunked that argument in my previous post. If your argument is that Jinbe is a stand out subordinate under Luffy like Zoro and Sanji is then fair enuff, I won't refute that. At the very least that was the case for him up until Elbaf where he is clearly being put below those 2.
Also stop it with the Roger Pirates ting lol you ain't gas lighting nobody. Roger Pirates dynamics are clear for everybody to see there is no hidden cranny that is gonna change what has already been established about them this arc.
It deleted his name when I hit space for some reason. Shit happens alot on my phone for some reason it’s annoying
You’re comparing a non canon anime episode with the manga…
Jinbe is clearly the 3rd strongest subordinate at the moment. Whether or not he keeps that spot or not idk. Either way the top 3 commanders under the captain is an extremely common and repeated pattern by oda. Even if it’s another strawhat that takes that spot
No one’s saying Jinbe is just as relevant as Zoro and Sanji. Same way king and queen are more relevant than Jack or Marco and Jozu more relevant than vista
Jinbe not being in the monster trio or down in the underworld doesn’t change his spot in the crew
You’re conflating me saying he’s a main member after the wings (like vista/jack) to me saying he’s equally as powerful and relevant. Something I never said
? Again than 1 dynamic can exist
Us not knowing who Roger’s 3rd strongest is doesn’t mean they weren’t important even if not as important as Rayleigh and Gaban
It’d be funny if it was sunbell and he was coincidentally a fishman like Jinbe and Jack
Fair enuff 
Doesn't matter, it's a very similar situation to the panel you posted.
There are several points in the series when you could make an argument for Usopp as the 3rd commander under Luffy be it Arlong Park or even Dressrosa when he awakened Haki making him the 4th SH to do so, and even got a bounty bump above Sanji temporarily. Hell like @Doggo has stated you could go as far as to argue that Usopp is the SHs 3rd commander using the Red Hair Pirates as a model but we know he isn't.
Again I get the fuss about Jinbe, he's a big name Pirate that joined the SHs but like those that joined before him be if Franky or Robin, even if you could have argued that they were comparable to Zoro and Sanji at points very early on in the series it never really changed the M3 dynamic of them being the top 3 fighters on the crew by significant margin and it's very much looking like that will eventually be the case with Jinbe as well.
I'm not refuting the fact that Jinbe is indeed the 3rd strongest subordinate on the crew at the moment. Was the case with Franky when he joined (though Chopper's monster point is debatable) as well as Robin. What I'm debating is you using that simple fact alone to establish a Captain/Top 3 commanders dynamic. Moreover you urself are not convinced that he will continue to be the 3rd strongest so it isn't really a dynamic is it?
Again yes top 3 commanders are extremely common but it is not a rule like I've already pointed out in a prior post and the SHs are cut from a different cloth from the all of those crews you are comparing them with. The most apt comparison we can make for the SHs is the Roger Pirates and they did not have 3 top commanders under roger but rather a Roger/Ray/Gaban dynamic with those 3 being a country mile above everyone else on their crew.
There is no Jack or Vista situation here.
Marco and Jozu being more relevant that Vista is news to me but I digress.
Again I’m not arguing where Jinbe ranks in the crew or even his relevance in the crew. What I’m saying is that there is no top 3 subordinates dynamic 💀. Or was there one before Jinbe joined? Coz with 9 members there was surely a 3rd strongest subordinate no?
Bruda did you actually read my posts
My argument is that the SHs having a Captain/Top 3 commanders dynamic is a figment of the fanbase's imagination
You’re comparing a non canon anime episode with the manga…
There are several points in the series when you could make an argument for Usopp as the 3rd commander under Luffy be it Arlong Park or even Dressrosa when he awakened Haki making him the 4th SH to do so, and even got a bounty bump above Sanji temporarily. Hell like @Doggo has stated you could go as far as to argue that Usopp is the SHs 3rd commander using the Red Hair Pirates as a model but we know he isn't.
Again I get the fuss about Jinbe, he's a big name Pirate that joined the SHs but like those that joined before him be if Franky or Robin, even if you could have argued that they were comparable to Zoro and Sanji at points very early on in the series it never really changed the M3 dynamic of them being the top 3 fighters on the crew by significant margin and it's very much looking like that will eventually be the case with Jinbe as well.
I'm not refuting the fact that Jinbe is indeed the 3rd strongest subordinate on the crew at the moment. Was the case with Franky when he joined (though Chopper's monster point is debatable) as well as Robin. What I'm debating is you using that simple fact alone to establish a Captain/Top 3 commanders dynamic. Moreover you urself are not convinced that he will continue to be the 3rd strongest so it isn't really a dynamic is it?
Again yes top 3 commanders are extremely common but it is not a rule like I've already pointed out in a prior post and the SHs are cut from a different cloth from the all of those crews you are comparing them with. The most apt comparison we can make for the SHs is the Roger Pirates and they did not have 3 top commanders under roger but rather a Roger/Ray/Gaban dynamic with those 3 being a country mile above everyone else on their crew.
There is no Jack or Vista situation here.
No one’s saying Jinbe is just as relevant as Zoro and Sanji. Same way king and queen are more relevant than Jack or Marco and Jozu more relevant than vista
Jinbe not being in the monster trio or down in the underworld doesn’t change his spot in the crew
You’re conflating me saying he’s a main member after the wings (like vista/jack) to me saying he’s equally as powerful and relevant. Something I never said
? Again than 1 dynamic can exist
Us not knowing who Roger’s 3rd strongest is doesn’t mean they weren’t important even if not as important as Rayleigh and Gaban
It’d be funny if it was sunbell and he was coincidentally a fishman like Jinbe and Jack
Jinbe not being in the monster trio or down in the underworld doesn’t change his spot in the crew
You’re conflating me saying he’s a main member after the wings (like vista/jack) to me saying he’s equally as powerful and relevant. Something I never said
? Again than 1 dynamic can exist
Us not knowing who Roger’s 3rd strongest is doesn’t mean they weren’t important even if not as important as Rayleigh and Gaban
It’d be funny if it was sunbell and he was coincidentally a fishman like Jinbe and Jack
Again I’m not arguing where Jinbe ranks in the crew or even his relevance in the crew. What I’m saying is that there is no top 3 subordinates dynamic 💀. Or was there one before Jinbe joined? Coz with 9 members there was surely a 3rd strongest subordinate no?
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At no point in the story has Usopp proved himself to stand above the other strawhats and be able along Zoro and Sanji as Luffy’s top 3
I keep saying I don’t care or know if Jinbe will stay the 3rd strongest but as of now that’s what he is until something changes
It was not an established dynamic prior to Jinbe joining. No other strawhat has been put on the same pedestal as Jinbe has behind zoro and sanji
It’s not just about being first second or third strongest on its own. It’s like asking who was luffy’s wings alongside Zoro before Sanji? Answer being there wasn’t one
It shouldn’t be…
I keep saying I don’t care or know if Jinbe will stay the 3rd strongest but as of now that’s what he is until something changes
It was not an established dynamic prior to Jinbe joining. No other strawhat has been put on the same pedestal as Jinbe has behind zoro and sanji
It’s not just about being first second or third strongest on its own. It’s like asking who was luffy’s wings alongside Zoro before Sanji? Answer being there wasn’t one
It shouldn’t be…
- Most highlighted when we met Whitebeard
- Most highlighted when Whitebeard clashed with shanks
- Most highlighted alongside whitebeard during marineford. Them being the ones highlighted clashing with admirals and protecting wb
- Most highlighted even on the inside cover of the volumes
- Most highlighted even on the oden flashback volume cover
It’s not about Luffy acting like a boss that goes out of his way to give the crew more structured positions
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
It’s just that out of the crew Jinbe is clearly 3rd most reliable when it comes to protecting them after Zoro
Us not knowing who it is on the Roger pirates doesn’t mean they didn’t have a similar dynamic
Just because they aren’t as relevant as the main duo doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Whether it’s Jinbe, vista, jack, yasopp, etc they clearly part of a main trio of subordinates
A fancy name for them like all stars isn’t necessarily when the pattern is pretty common at this point
@PuckTheGreat And again Roger having his zoro sanji, king queen, Marco Jozu, Beckman roux, etc doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a Jinbe, Jack, vista, yasopp etc equivalent
Gaban is less famous than Rayleigh so the 3rd would obviously be less famous and relevant. Not seeing them doesn’t mean they don’t exist
Usopp is the weakest strawhat…
Gaban is less famous than Rayleigh so the 3rd would obviously be less famous and relevant. Not seeing them doesn’t mean they don’t exist
Usopp is the weakest strawhat…
I mainly think it just means they’re the next line of defense after the “wings”. With them being capable of stepping up to the plate when need be
Tho in Jinbe’s case I do think he’s a bit more special
While yeah Zoro Sanji and Jinbe are Luffy’s equivalent of the 123 commander trope oda has I also think they’re each one better
Zoro Sanji and Jinbe being Luffy’s all star equivalent is true
I’ve said it before but imo
Imo Sanji and his rivalries with the 2 of them help prove it even more
Usopp isn’t the 3rd strongest
Tho in Jinbe’s case I do think he’s a bit more special
While yeah Zoro Sanji and Jinbe are Luffy’s equivalent of the 123 commander trope oda has I also think they’re each one better
Zoro Sanji and Jinbe being Luffy’s all star equivalent is true
I’ve said it before but imo
- Zoro is similar to both Yamato and king (Oden and Rayleigh)
- Sanji to both king and queen (Rayleigh and Gaban)
- Jinbe to queen and Jack (tho tbh idk if he’ll stay 3rd strongest)
- Him being closer to Jack under normal circumstances but closer to Queen depending on the environment
Imo Sanji and his rivalries with the 2 of them help prove it even more
Usopp isn’t the 3rd strongest