General & Others The monter trio never disappeared

You say that, but this is you throughout your essay.

Sanji Fans: "See the Monster Trio? Jimbei doesn't belong here. What do you mean the billion bounty club is a thing?"
You:
You are not listening to anything I’m saying are you? 💀 This is looking like it’s gonna be a waste of my time so I’m just gonna stop here :hapnoel:

Sanji Fans: "Lol. Did you see Jimbei fail against Gunko [who used hax]?"
You:




Sanji Fans: "Hehehe! Nami called Jimbei out for being weak."
Yh Jinbe is defo gonna do a L or Light Yagami and come up with a 1000 IQ solution to the immortality problem he’s never encountered before and has no idea how it works sitting on his fat ass and thinking about it lol
If you believe that shit then kudos to you, I’m personally not that gullible.
Mans posted that shit like he actually made a point.
Doing something is jumping off a fucking cliff to hang to the only hope you’ve seen of the immortals getting hurt or actively fighting against an ability that completely counters yours in order to to do something to change the current situation.
‘Thinking of something’ lol
Mchew :whitepress:
 
You are not listening to anything I’m saying are you? 💀 This is looking like it’s gonna be a waste of my time so I’m just gonna stop here :hapnoel:
Yeah, it's better for you to stop here. You really aren't doing a good job at proving you don't downplay Jimbei the way Zoro fans downplayed Sanji.

Yh Jinbe is defo gonna do a L or Light Yagami and come up with a 1000 IQ solution to the immortality problem he’s never encountered before and has no idea how it works sitting on his fat ass and thinking about it lol
If you believe that shit then kudos to you, I’m personally not that gullible.
Mans posted that shit like he actually made a point.
Doing something is jumping off a fucking cliff to hang to the only hope you’ve seen of the immortals getting hurt or actively fighting against an ability that completely counters yours in order to to do something to change the current situation.
‘Thinking of something’ lol
Mchew :whitepress:
He literally means her arrows. :milaugh:



As for your "but Robin did this, Robin did that," I make points like that when I'm trolling to show hypocrisy. The points you make against Jimbei, I could do the same against Gaban and it would be no different from your line of logic.
 
Neither Zoro or Sanji fans truly acknowledge Jinbe’s strength and role in the crew. Him being easily dismissed by most of those fandoms like a Luffy opponent or even someone like oden where they both have something to gain by downplaying them

Zoro fans don’t acknowledge Jinbe really at all unless they can use him to get Sanji fans mad. Saying stuff like Jinbe is stronger, more important, and kicked Sanji out of the monster trio aka bait

Sanji fans do resent Jinbe in a similar way Zoro fans resent Sanji. Despite all the moments oda goes out of his way to pair them up
  • Zoro fans act like only his moments with Luffy matter while the ones with Sanji aren’t or are just a gag
  • To Sanji fans zoro is his luffy and Jinbe his Sanji
The truth is Luffy and Zoro moments don’t erase Zoro and Sanji
Zoro and Sanji moments don’t erase Sanji and Jinbe moments
Captain and his wings moments don’t erase potential moments of the captain and his top 3
They can all coexist
Why would Sanji fans in particular resent Jinbe though? I don't get it.
Feel like the bolded bit is a false equivalence. You say we resent Jinbe in the same way that Zoro fans resent Sanji, can you go into detail on the reason you think Zoro fans resent Sanji and how that somehow correlates to Sanji fans with regard to Jinbe?

Also personally I don't think the disagreement in this thread is about not acknowledging Jinbe for whatever reason, you are making the claim that the SHs have become a Captain/Trio dynamic post-wano and I and others are saying that we are not convinced that that is the case and we've given you several reasons as to why that is. You are also claiming that all crews have a captain/trio dynamic to force this dynamic when it clearly isn't the case. I'm actually curious about what the majority of the WG think on this so could you make a thread and poll to see how people view the SHs dynamics with regard to whether they think it has become a Captain/3 commander structure, Captain/Wings dynamic and so on?

This is Morj for instance who is neither a Zoro or Sanji stan as far as I know:


 
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Why would Sanji fans in particular resent Jinbe though? I don't get it.
Feel like the bolded bit is a false equivalence. You say we resent Jinbe in the same way that Zoro fans resent Sanji, can you go into detail on the reason you think Zoro fans resent Sanji and how that somehow correlates to Sanji fans with regard to Jinbe?

Also personally I don't think the disagreement in this thread is about not acknowledging Jinbe for whatever reason, you are making the claim that the SHs have become a Captain/Trio dynamic post-wano and I and others are saying that we are not convinced that that is the case and we've given you several reasons as to why that is. You are also claiming that all crews have a captain/trio dynamic to force this dynamic when it clearly isn't the case. I'm actually curious about what the majority of the WG think on this so could you make a thread and poll to see how people view the SHs dynamics with regard to whether they think it has become a Captain/3 commander structure, Captain/Wings dynamic and so on?

This is Morj for instance who is neither a Zoro or Sanji stan as far as I know:


You’re emphasizing Sanji’s dynamic with Luffy and Zoro as a part of his “wings” while at the same time downplaying his dynamic with Jinbe. Along with downplaying Jinbe’s role as Luffy’s “3yc”

You’re doing exactly what you’re saying you aren’t

I didn’t claim every single crew had the top 3 commander but most emperors do
  1. Whitebeard, Kaido, and Shanks do at least
  2. I’d even say Big mom’s crew kinda has it but I don’t want to get into that right now
  3. Blackbeard most likely does too tbh outside of Kuzan
  4. Depending on how highly you view cross guild they might too when Moria joins
 
You’re emphasizing Sanji’s dynamic with Luffy and Zoro as a part of his “wings” while at the same time downplaying his dynamic with Jinbe. Along with downplaying Jinbe’s role as Luffy’s “3yc”

You’re doing exactly what you’re saying you aren’t

I didn’t claim every single crew had the top 3 commander but most emperors do
  1. Whitebeard, Kaido, and Shanks do at least
  2. I’d even say Big mom’s crew kinda has it but I don’t want to get into that right now
  3. Blackbeard most likely does too tbh outside of Kuzan
  4. Depending on how highly you view cross guild they might too when Moria joins
Downplaying Sanji's dynamic with Jinbe?
I'm confused, what dynamic does Sanji have with Jinbe?
Also you yourself are admitting that albeit common, the 3 top commander structure is not exactly uniform amongst all of the Yonko crews so why is it difficult to understand folks like myself thinking that the SHs don't conform to that pattern? Why is it Jinbe downplay coz I don't agree on the structure of the SHs?
Have Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe been referred to as Luffy's "XXX" the way King, Queen and Jack are referred to as Kaido's "Calamities"?
You're staking a claim based on your perception alone and crying foul coz not everybody believes it is what you think it is.
Again I'm interested in seeing what WG think about this, if you're confident that this is a Sanji fan issue then do a poll on this and see what the majority think in this issue.
 
Yeah, the Monster Trio is an important dynamic in the series and it never left, Oda even reiterated with the Pirate King and his Wings thing. Jimbei is great, but the idea of a new Monster Trio forming never held up since Oda never bothered to showcase that in the series (whether it be Yamato or Jimbei fans took it upon themselves to create that despite the Wings being introduced in Wano and now Gaban just reaffirms that). Bounty-wise, it's great for Jimbei, but in regards to facing Calamities, having important roles no one else can do arc to arc and being the most reliable members for Luffy, I don't see Oda distinguishing Jimbei from the rest of the crew to be honest. He's strong, has a large bounty, but it kinda ends there. Oda could try and highlight them as the top 3 Commanders more often, but there's only like 2 panels to go off so far. Franky in Egghead did pretty terrific, I don't think there's a Monster 5 or anything, Oda's not afraid to introduce new dynamics, but there are few on the level of the Monster Trio and I don't expect that to change.

I do hope Oda lets Jimbei take charge of the section of the crew he's with to make up for him being dealt with by Gunko and tied up, but the way Robin and Nami talked about him while Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were yet to arrive, I'm not sure.
 
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