Powers & Abilities So it is no problem for these characters to have CoC, but for some reason it is a problem for these guys

#42
We have 7 Admirals total in story: Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryokugyu and Koby (future). Those are certain at least.

Sengoku Is confirmed.
Akainu and Fuji you said are cartain, and I agree. I think we can add Koby too.
Kuzan for me Is sure, having fought ten days with Akainu, in that double spread too, but anyway.

That leaves Ryo, which for you Is a maybe, and you say Kizaru Is a no.

So, you think Oda has in his mind 5 Admirals markedly stronger and 2/1 B class Admirals markedly weaker than the rest?
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Lol at trying to compare Lolden's case, which is completley headcanon, with this.
:gokulaugh::gokulaugh::suresure::suresure::suresure:
 
#43
I will be so happy for Sanji to get his Conquerors Haki soon! When his dad and siblings find out when Sanji becomes one of the Top Fighters of the History near the End.
 
#44
Will Sanji have CoC discussions should stop after the latest chapter.
Sanji will 100% get CoC.
I would argue that Power of Love is CoC that manifests in certain moments when he needs to protect someone usually women, and it doesn't leak like Zoro's CoC, Sanji right now is not on that level where it leaks.
 
#45
They don't HAVE to have the same mastery as him. They've all got things they can and can't do.
You are supposing vastly unbalanced abilities to compensate for a vastly unbalanced haki...which Is dubious in the first place since no Admirals has ever shown "poor" fruit mastery or any other big gap as such.

Not to mention, the gap should be enormous to compensare the lack of CoC.
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#46
This is news to me… what are the parallels between Zoro and Rayleigh’s again?

zoto isn’t the right hand man of Luffy, he’s not the vice captain of the strawhat crew… so what are the parallels here?
First time I have to agree with you on something

Swordsmen with eye and torso scars who also have titles pertaining to hell (Dark King and King of Hell). Plus they love to drink.
Mmmmmm there's also a character who's actually a VA has the ephitet of white hunter
Has kuina's double working for him and looks like zoro you know who it is?but unlike ryuma zoro didn't get comparison with this two
 
#47
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Zoro was pursing WSS, already had made a name for himself on his own and had more infamy than Luffy in EB, had some dudes following him, and killed Mr 6 (IIRC). By the time he joined up with Luffy.
And said to Luffy to his face that he would kill him if he stood in the way of his goals.




Nah it isn't. If you think it's 99% agenda driven, it's probably based because you've been playing in the agenda mud for too long lol.

I don't think it's agenda driven, but factual, to argue that Oda himself has played into the persona and ambitions of conquerors several times in the series. But he also isn't playing into this line of thinking a 100%, Koby is a great example here.
This was my take on the topic in the spoiler discussions.


It's the persona and ambitions narrative that was used by those who pushed Zoro to have conqueror's haki, not parallels or anything; this was before there was even any direct powerscaling implication here (for a decade+ conqueror's haki was simply fodder control and just indicated potential).

Just to address the OP meanwhile, Jinbe and definitely Ussop of course shouldn't have conqueror's haki. Jinbe is a 46 years old veteran, too late for that. Ussop especially having it would be dogshit writing and kill the entire thing, might be a drop worthy event even.

Coming to admirals.
It's a case by case basis with admirals. I'd say Akainu, Aokiji and Fujitora would be in sync with the "persona" narraive as well. While Kizaru is a mixed bag (leaning towards no for me), and Greenbull is heavily leaning no.
Issue is that there is no indication that any admirals have it, so far. That should however not be used as a confirmation that admirals won't or can't have it obviously, esp the 3 I mentioned above.
And there is a powerscaling argument also here, in that admirals have such insanely powerful DFs that they don't need advanced conqueror's haki to reach top tier as well, but that has zero relation to the persona arguments of course.

I'm not a fan of Sanji having conqueror's haki either, due to the persona narrative. Nothing to do with powerscaling, Oda can always upgrade his fire powers and exoskeletons as needed to made Sanji close to Zoro in power.
However, if Koby can have conqueror's haki (it isn't 100% confirmed yet but honesty impact might have been advanced conqueror's), I see no reason Sanji can't.
Disagree it's absolutely the case here there is no argument after people like Yamato don chinjao and Kata

You can't make a consistent list through personality I stand by that most people here that are ass blasted by this are not about that
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This guy completely dropped Rayleigh after Gaban event 😭😭
Exactly what I mean :gokulaugh:
 
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#48
Disagree it's absolutely the case here there is no argument after people like Yamato don chinjao and Yamato

You can't make a consistent list through personality I stand by that most people here that are ass blasted by this are not about that
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Exactly what I mean :gokulaugh:
Yamato has inherited it and chinjao was a big name pirate
 
#54
The suicidal crying drunk Kaido:

The Fat Childish Big Mom who got flipped over by Jinbe and rolled away by Robin:

The Deranged Oden Wannabe who can't be her own character:

Kid who got confirmed to have CoC but never once used it during the Wano arc:

Imu the supposed final villain of the series who was shaking in his shadowy boots over Joy Boy's CoC:

The idiot Oden who fell for Orochi and Kaido's trick:


So it is no problem that all those characters have CoC but when it comes to the Admirals, apparently that is going too far and they can't have it.

It is also no problem that Zoro has CoC even though he didn't find out until the Elbaf arc:

Gaban who is Sanji's parallel of the Roger Pirates also has CoC:

Both Ray and Gaban have CoC, Zoro who is Ray's parallel has CoC.

But for some reason Sanji himself isn't allowed to have CoC.


Then you have those who are fine with Usopp potentially having CoC even though he has been very lackluster for a very long time.
:usoprice:

Or those who have no problem with box moving Jinbe potentially having CoC.
:jinbewat:

But again Sanji having CoC? Nah get the fuck out of here.:kuzanope:

Like what?:lawsigh:

There is always countless of excuses I see for why the Admirals and Sanji can't have CoC.:ultimoji:

The Admirals are the strongest fighting power of the World Government.

And Sanji is Luffy's Shield and along with Zoro is the wings of the future Pirate King.

I see no problem for the Admirals and Sanji having CoC.:Tou_Cheers:

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#57
The admirals don’t have it because they’ve been around for hundreds of chapters and there’s zero confirmation of them having it.

Kid is a good example. He hasn’t used it once on screen but we have confirmation from both Kaido and vivre card that he has it.

Kizaru was a main antagonist of Egghead and there was zero confirmation of him having CoC. Fuji and GB also got major features in dressrosa/wano, again with zero confirmation of them having CoC.
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Sanji most likely will get it, however
 
#58
The reasoning is simple. It’s just because of insecurity

Like I personally have the emperors over the admirals and Zoro over Sanji but a lot of losers believe if they are conquerors it makes the emperor/zoro look worse or at least not as special with the difference

If they’re stronger anyway is shouldn’t matter whether or not the admirals/sanji are conquerors
 
#59
#60
Why are admirals acting like they wasnt shitting on coc for years?

Saying kaido was a liar and coping?

Saying admirals don’t need coqs and it’s for losers?

Now yall realize haki>df like yonko and sword fans been saying for years is real and admirals can’t beat elders or HK without it all of a sudden it’s
“ERHHM ACTUALLY ALL ADMIRALS HAVE COQS NOW ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS LOW IQ🤓”

why would a group that’s been slandering haki for years now wants the ppl they shit talked to accept their hypocritical ass now??
so much for logia supremacy shut and :HoldThisL:
 
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