Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER: 1155: THE ROCKS PIRATES

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Also the more confirmation we get about Rox’ crew, I’m convinced Thriller Bark was made up of a part of god valley. There’s just too many of Rox’ dead crew there.
Didn't Captain John die in an incident where he was mutinied by his own fodder crew (of which he was a captain of)? This should've technically happened after the GV incident and we have his corpse in Thriller Bark
 
Age has hurt Oda a bit.

But when he has time/is focused, he generally delivers absolute cinema.

Glad Elbaph hasn't had the "here's all the side project fucking up the Manga" problem Wano and Egghead had with Film Red then the Live Action.

And I like both, but, yeah, they fucked up the Manga pacing badly.
Chapters like these make me remember why OP is the goat, no other manga hypes me up as much.
 
I think if the purpose of killing the Admiral was to make us think for certain that Xebec was uber powerful, it would not be this offpanelled vagueness.

If he had showed Rocks standing over the defeated, dying Admiral, sword in hand, no hostage or anything in sight, barely a scratch, that would do the job without any real debate.

This? The clash with Harald is the real, undeniable powerscaling feat. But breaking into Imu’s room, destroying the gates of justice, winning Davy Back fights, stealing CD gold, and murdering an Admiral, I don’t think that is necessarily powerscaling. It is more personality scaling. We’re seeing why Rocks is this wildly audacious figure that challenged the world so much that his name was removed. But I don‘t think it’s necessarily needing to be viewed in a powerscaling lense.

The clash with Harald, Sengoku describing him as Roger’s greatest foe, his swordsmanship, Kaido’s five figures, that’s more powerscali g that character related.

Of course, they all combine and to be clear, it’s definite that Rocks was a PK level figure.

But this Admiral murder, I can’t help but think it’s pointing to another parallel with Teach- unsavoury, backstabbing behaviour. Blackbeard didn’t just beat Ace, he also murdered Thatch and Whitebeard in circumstances that really had little to do with powerscaling at all. Maybe that‘s the parallel we are meant to draw.
He also never showed Sakazuki defeating Kuzan or Whitebeard defeating Crocodile. I think he just doesn't really care to show that stuff sometimes.
But you do make a great point, Xebec definitely may have sneak attacked the Admiral or killed him in a hostage situation. It'd fit his personality for sure.
We'll probably never know though since Oda offscreens these things frequently.
 
The clash panel is goated. I feel like Egghead and Elbaf have had a lot of amazing panels despite having a lot of.... Not so good ones.

The mural is an obvious highlight, Loki's introduction, the Gorosei arriving, and I thought Cerberus was dope too
I like how they instantly recognised some kind of kinship.

It reminds of how Mihawk reacted to meeting Zoro, as if recognising one of his own kind.



What are some of the examples of bad panels to you? I can recall a few instances for sure. The art got really busy and squeezed.
 

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I like how they instantly recognised some kind of kinship. You know how Mihawk reacted to meeting Zoro, recognising one of his own.

What are some of the examples of bad panels to you? I can recall a few instances for sure. The art got really busy and squeezed.
Honestly I found a lot of Luffy vs Kizaru to be bad. And everything is just so cluttered. (Best example would be 1110. It ends with Lucci getting hit, Jinbe reacting, Peter eating Luffy and then the giants cutting Peter). All that stuff in one page ...Though Oda has done a bit better in Elbaf. Also the early Elbaf chapters where Oda forgot so many details people thought it was an illusion 💀

I forgot the Mars/Lucci panel in my best panels and honestly I think Kuma punching Saturn is my favorite One Piece panel
 
I think if the purpose of killing the Admiral was to make us think for certain that Xebec was uber powerful, it would not be this offpanelled vagueness.

If he had showed Rocks standing over the defeated, dying Admiral, sword in hand, no hostage or anything in sight, barely a scratch, that would do the job without any real debate.

This? The clash with Harald is the real, undeniable powerscaling feat. But breaking into Imu’s room, destroying the gates of justice, winning Davy Back fights, stealing CD gold, and murdering an Admiral, I don’t think that is necessarily powerscaling. It is more personality scaling. We’re seeing why Rocks is this wildly audacious figure that challenged the world so much that his name was removed. But I don‘t think it’s necessarily needing to be viewed in a powerscaling lense.

The clash with Harald, Sengoku describing him as Roger’s greatest foe, his swordsmanship, Kaido’s five figures, that’s more powerscali g that character related.

Of course, they all combine and to be clear, it’s definite that Rocks was a PK level figure.

But this Admiral murder, I can’t help but think it’s pointing to another parallel with Teach- unsavoury, backstabbing behaviour. Blackbeard didn’t just beat Ace, he also murdered Thatch and Whitebeard in circumstances that really had little to do with powerscaling at all. Maybe that‘s the parallel we are meant to draw.
All of this is very well put but the main difference between Blackbeard's murder of Whitebeard and the little info we have of Rocks vs Admiral X is that BB and his whole crew together killed an already nearly-dead Whitebeard (having fought Akainu, a host of marines, and being stabbed through a sick heart) while Rocks, at most, had a hostage. Worst case scenario would be that Rocks cheap shot the Admiral, which would only further paint that guy in a bad light considering the level at which an Admiral should be (being cheap shot under any circumstances at that level is ridiculous)
 
Honestly I found a lot of Luffy vs Kizaru to be bad. And everything is just so cluttered. (Best example would be 1110. It ends with Lucci getting hit, Jinbe reacting, Peter eating Luffy and then the giants cutting Peter). All that stuff in one page ...Though Oda has done a bit better in Elbaf. Also the early Elbaf chapters where Oda forgot so many details people thought it was an illusion 💀

I forgot the Mars/Lucci panel in my best panels and honestly I think Kuma punching Saturn is my favorite One Piece panel
Agreed on all of those examples fr.
 
Xebec was a complete anarchist who were the first D to directly challenged the World Government and also seeded the mindset for his crew who later became Yonko. His will is the lingering threat that keeps haunting the WG.
Roger saw it differently and found the true message behind the current state of the world, so he kicked start the great pirate era that gave everyone an 'equal chance' to change the world.



It's very weird that Xebec seems like he wanted Imu to hand over the throne than to kill Imu for it. Maybe he saw Imu as an important asset just like his crew.

All this while I thought Harald was a hakiless bum just like the other kings who had been portrait so far lmao, he was a top tier and even better that he has the Oars size advantage, and also a king of the giants which put him above many top tiers.
 
All of this is very well put but the main difference between Blackbeard's murder of Whitebeard and the little info we have of Rocks vs Admiral X is that BB and his whole crew together killed an already nearly-dead Whitebeard (having fought Akainu, a host of marines, and being stabbed through a sick heart) while Rocks, at most, had a hostage. Worst case scenario would be that Rocks cheap shot the Admiral, which would only further paint that guy in a bad light considering the level at which an Admiral should be (being cheap shot under any circumstances at that level is ridiculous)
I wouldn’t say so. Kaido cheapshotting Oden didn’t portray Oden in a bad light (or at least, it was not Oda’s intention to do so). Oda wanted to point out how brutal Rocks’s swordsmanship was. If that hits an unprotected body, straight on, maybe from the back? I don’t think that can be held against the Admiral.

Honestly, I think skullduggery is the only thing that can save the Admiral agenda, if Rocks has straight up stomped him and got, at best, some light scuffing then it’s mortifying.
 
Didn't Captain John die in an incident where he was mutinied by his own fodder crew (of which he was a captain of)? This should've technically happened after the GV incident and we have his corpse in Thriller Bark
Oda can probably easily retcon that. We have captains within the crew already with BM who had her own crew and land while working for Rox.

It’s possible John hid a great amount of treasure from pirate island and was betrayed on god valley
 
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