Controversial RIP Zoro Agenda 1999 - 2025

[Soyz]

Post this image to scare pinlolofans

If they truly think EOS pinzoro > rocks then Sanji > as well

 

[gacha_moment]

Hajrudin said probably 3rd strongest

Meaning they’re close enough that Hajrudin isn’t totally sure that Gaban would lose to Rayleigh

Has Hajrudin seen Rayleigh and Gaban full strength? Hajrudin might judge based on their bounties and infamies. Queen and Black Maria also judged who were the top dogs in SH based on their bounties.

 

[Shiroyru]

Has Hajrudin seen Rayleigh and Gaban full strength? Hajrudin might judge based on bounty and infamy. Queen and Black Maria also judged who were top dogs in SH based on their bounties.

He’s older than them so maybe

 

[kekaro]

I just trying to explain to you what happened on this board ( or in the community as a whole) over the years. And continue to this day.

You desperately want me to be mad, i don’t know why. But if you want to think that I am, be my guest.

I dont know man, you were the one bringing this subject on the table when it was not the subject at hand, so I just telling you where you can continue this argument that does not interest me.

.... no you showed up and claimed in present tense they are Legions of Damaji fans that downplay mihawk

If the Sanji fans truly think that it changes nothing they would not be adamant into downplaying Mihawk. They would roll with everything that elevated Zoro but they don’t.

"it" = meaning this occurance, Xebec

I ask for the last time in good faith for you not to weasel out = Where are the myriads of sanji fans spamming the forum with threads to downplay mihawk about this

@Shiroyru ARE YOU DEEP COVER SNAJI FAN?

 

[gacha_moment]

He’s older than them so maybe

Do you have any proofs he had seen them fight?

 

[Doggo]

Hajrudin said probably 3rd strongest

Meaning they’re close enough that Hajrudin isn’t totally sure that Gaban would lose to Rayleigh

There's no rocket science involved.
Giants hyped Roger's trio as 3 people equivalent to each other.
Rayleigh was hyped during his intro.
Now Gaban entered the picture. gets the same hype treatment. compared to both roger and ray. the 3 much stronger than everyone else on the crew, etc, etc, etc, said to be equal to rayleigh, all that jazz.

Then hajrudin says "oh, i think he would probably be the 3rd strongest", which gaban goes on the sanji salty mode parallel and says he's actually number 2.

This is nothing different from the ace/sabo 51/49 duels. Doesn't mean they are freaking chemically equals. Only the cope squad thinks anyone is talking about that.

It's like, so freaking "in your face". Oda's not a fan of subtlety on this regard at all.
But it is what it is.


We are just enjoying the leeching agenda that mihawk/zoro fans so happily used and still use for themselves.
Will Sanji be stronger than zoro? No.
But if they were to fight EoS, could EoS Sanji beat EoS Zoro? sure. the odds would still be slightly on zoro's favor, as they should. But that's pretty much just it.

There's absolutely no malice involved in any of this. No downplay at all.
But the eagerness to separate zoro from sanji is what makes people mad about this whole thing.

 

[HA001]

Hajrudin said probably 3rd strongest

Meaning they’re close enough that Hajrudin isn’t totally sure that Gaban would lose to Rayleigh

?????
My point isn't who is stronger (it's ray)
Ifs the fact that the people calling them wings dont say they are equals in strength

 

[HA001]

There's no rocket science involved.
Giants hyped Roger's trio as 3 people equivalent to each other.
Rayleigh was hyped during his intro.
Now Gaban entered the picture. gets the same hype treatment. compared to both roger and ray. the 3 much stronger than everyone else on the crew, etc, etc, etc, said to be equal to rayleigh, all that jazz.

Then hajrudin says "oh, i think he would probably be the 3rd strongest", which gaban goes on the sanji salty mode parallel and says he's actually number 2.

This is nothing different from the ace/sabo 51/49 duels. Doesn't mean they are freaking chemically equals. Only the cope squad thinks anyone is talking about that.

It's like, so freaking "in your face". Oda's not a fan of subtlety on this regard at all.
But it is what it is.


We are just enjoying the leeching agenda that mihawk/zoro fans so happily used and still use for themselves.
Will Sanji be stronger than zoro? No.
But if they were to fight EoS, could EoS Sanji beat EoS Zoro? sure. the odds would still be slightly on zoro's favor, as they should. But that's pretty much just it.

There's absolutely no malice involved in any of this. No downplay at all.
But the eagerness to separate zoro from sanji is what makes people mad about this whole thing.

Except zoros floor to be the strongest swordsman ever in one piece is vastly above gaban
So no as of now and eos he gets folded

 

[Rivaille]

.... no you showed up and claimed in present tense they are Legions of Damaji fans that downplay mihawk



"it" = meaning this occurance, Xebec

I ask for the last time in good faith for you not to weasel out = Where are the myriads of sanji fans spamming the forum with threads to downplay mihawk about this

@Shiroyru ARE YOU DEEP COVER SNAJI FAN?

I do not know if they are « legion » or a « myriad » but some Sanji fans who had downplay Mihawk :
-Chaves
-BattalGazi
-Jailer
-[No Name] (before last chapter)
-JacketO
-Rumble
-SaitamaSanji

 

[nik87]

You are here since 2023, you do not know what you are talking about.
This board have known several Sanji fans that were Mihawk downplayers while pushing the agenda that Zoro and Sanji were equals.

The most famous one was a @nik87 nemesis that was defending the idea that Asura does not exist anymore for example.

Furthermore if you want to talk about the Zoro fans that downplay Luffy, you are free to make a thread about it.

A word of advice, Rivaille-san...
...wasting time on mad Sanjibro is better spent in another way.

 

[grey matter]

The thing is Mihawk > Shanks didn't change anything about this whole incident with Gaban, the same reason why it's over for Shanks is why it's over for Zoro. Sanji fans can leech off anything Zoro does now till the end of time.

Rayleigh can leech off Roger and Whitebeard. So, it's over for Luffy too?

Dudes ignore the way Oda writes (in this case it's recency bias or for obvious agenda purposes or ).

He uses a stronger benchmark to hype up characters, with the logic of "ohh this new guy is comparable to this impressive dude! How awesome is that?"

Tell me what you disagree with this analysis:

Isn't that a bit of recency bias though? I think we have to look at narratives through a wider lens to find the overall portrayals.

We are in Gaban's intro and hype phase of the manga. Of course the manga gasses him up. Oda finds it appropriate to gas up Gaban by using Rayleigh, while also stating that Roger-Ray-Gaban are in same tier via the "shoulders to shoulders" thing.

Let's remember Rayleigh's intro and hype phase. It was Roger and Whitebeard who was being used to gas up Rayleigh. Rayleigh was Roger's partner, and the dark king (contrast to the king in light that is Roger). Garp mentioned Rayleigh as a legend alongside Whitebeard that marines wouldn't want to take on at the same time (the only context here is strength comparison).

We see the pattern here. Both were compared to superior benchmarks to hype them up in their intro. Rayleigh is the benchmark for Gaban, Roger/WB were the benchmark for Rayleigh. Gaban is to be seen as impressive because he's close to Rayleigh's level, Rayleigh is to be seen as impressive because he's close to Roger/WB level.

*******

Let's ignore the comparisons between them and look at some independent stuff.

Rayleigh is amongst the most infamous dudes in the series. In fact, the only dudes in the manga with comparable or superior infamy are Roger, WB, Dragon and Garp.
The Strawhat members who are more "aware" of the world freaked out when hearing about Rayleigh's name, said you've got to be retarded to not know who he is. The only other character who got a similar reaction from them was Dragon. The reactions to even the Yonkos - Shanks, Kaido and BM were more tame.........in fact their mentions was along the lines of "they are emperors ruling the 2nd half of grandline having same title as Whitebeard" (WB is the benchmark used to hype them here).
Rayleigh also has "king" in his title, and "dark king" has similar energy as sun/moon thing. Implication was he was like the shadow of the king basically.

In contrast, the same aware Strawhats didn't even know who Gaban was. The only SH who knew Gaban was the pirate veteran Jinbe. And to tell other SHs how impressive Gaban was, Jinbe told them he stood shoulders to shoulders with Roger/Ray, he is comparable to Ray etc.

Now let me ask you this.
If the gap between Gaban and Rayleigh was insignificantly close, why is there a significant discrepancy between their clout and infamy? Why does Ray have a "king" in his title, and is the "partner" of Roger?

This is why I say, look at the overall picture. When we zoom out and see the entire picture, the differences that aren't apparent currently, becomes clearly visible.

I think 100-95-90 is a more accurate representative of the gap between Roger-Ray-Gaban
Peak top tier, high top tier, mid top tier.

 

[gacha_moment]

Rayleigh can leech off Roger and Whitebeard. So, it's over for Luffy too?

Dudes ignore the way Oda writes (in this case it's recency bias or for obvious agenda purposes or ).

He uses a stronger benchmark to hype up characters, with the logic of "ohh this new guy is comparable to this impressive dude! How awesome is that?"

Tell me what you disagree with this analysis:

Didn't Rayleigh think Katakuri was one of the mightiest? How is that a good portrayal?

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

I was looking at my resume feeling real fresh today, they rewrite history I don't believe in yesterday 🙌

Bing bop boom bop bam.

 

[Rumble]

Spoiler

 

[gacha_moment]

Spoiler

isn't it wild current Sanji still hasn't overpowered top tiers like Dressrosa and WCI Luffy did. Even his DJ was compared to Gear 3 against the giant cat.

 

[Rumble]

isn't it wild current Sanji still hasn't overpowered top tiers like Dressrosa and WCI Luffy did. Even his DJ was compared to Gear 3 against the giant cat.

It's wild Sanji dominated S-Shark on his own compared to Zoro and Kaku struggling with S-Hawk.

 

[gacha_moment]

It's wild Sanji dominated S-Shark on his own compared to Zoro and Kaku struggling with S-Hawk.

S-Shanks is not a top tier lol. Also Sanji did no damage and S-Shark most likely did not use haki. Sanji never overpower any top tiers. He got stare diffed by Saturn like a trash he was. Dressrosa Luffy tanked Raging Tiger and overpowered Fujitora. Current Sanji is still fodder to Dressrosa Luffy which was why Oda portrayed Sanji DJ, his strongest attack on par with Gear 3.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Yeah.
Until Shanks will show haki susanoo of course.
After that ZBoys will be finished.

Batman 2004

peak pfp
I used to wake up extra early Saturday Mornings just to watch that when we had Dish network and no Cable.

 

[Cruxroux]

I do not know if they are « legion » or a « myriad » but some Sanji fans who had downplay Mihawk :
-Chaves
-BattalGazi
-Jailer
-[No Name] (before last chapter)
-JacketO
-Rumble
-SaitamaSanji

Oh that embarrassingly short lmao.
- Nikainparis
- Siryasheen
- Emberkaios
- Kekaro.

And the list goes on and on.

 

[zzShinichi]

As long as Zoro remains the top 2 EOs and the strongest swordman ever which puts him above Ryuma, Rocks, Roger, I dont care if Sanjo gets to leech from it