General & Others The World’s Strongest titles are recent inventions

#1
Ryuma, Joyboy, Imu, Xebec, Roger. None of them have any such titles

Well that’s because these titles mean specific things that don’t apply to a number of these characters, and these titles were created in specific organic ways recently that also don’t apply to these characters.

Whitebeard’s WSM title was created when whitebeard’s power reached a level when he could end the world. This is the only reason ever given for whitebeard’s title. The fact that Sengoku said Whitebeard can end the world. (note that there is no mention of Whitebeard being able to defeat anyone in combat). That’s why Whitebeard had the title When Roger was still pirate king and when Imu existed

The WSS title was created when Mihawk went around the world to fight anyone worth fight until it was clear he was the strongest swordsman in the world. (This is why Ryuma didn’t have this title, he never left Wano). Roger and xebec were obviously the strongest swordsmen at the time but they didn’t go to West blue and south blue to make sure that they are strongest so the title wasn’t created but Mihawk did. Mihawk even went to Mariejois which Roger seemingly never did. The title was created when the feat itself was cemented.

Kaido’s WSC title is the one that has the most dubious origin since it seems to exist purely based on the rumor that Kaido cannot lose in 1v1 combat. And this is a thing people genuinely believe too. Kid and Killer had fought the red hair pirates and yet they still believed the rumor. This is the one title that has no feat associated with it. It’s entirely based on hearsay.

And in case you haven’t noticed yet, this is the reason these 3 titles work differently from each other. There is no WSM or WSC after Whitebeard and Kaido were taken down. Because WSM has to be a singular threat to the entire world and Blackbeard has not yet reach Whitebeard’s level of mastery of Gura Gura. WSC is based on a rumor so you can’t actually inherit it afterwards without somehow having the rumor apply to you somehow.

And that’s why only the inheritance of WSS title matters, because there’s in built mechanisms to do so. You can do what Mihawk did and travel the world to fight anyone worth fighting. Or you can just beat Mihawk who is already on top of the world. This is the only title that can be so directly inherited so that’s why it’s the only one that anyone tries to inherit. You can’t inherit the WSM title without the Gura Gura or an equivalent planet scale ability and you can’t inherit the WSC title without the ridiculous hype that Kaido had as the supposed “1v1” master of the verse.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#2
I disagree.

28 years ago, Kaido is embodiment of might, he already reached his peak and is the strongest of all.
20 Years ago, when peak Oden died, Whitebeard had no equal/superior and became the strongest man.
Kaido was stronger than WB but due to being an Oni he was never a candidate for WSM and thus had superior title.

Both Kaido and Whtiebeard received one third of the story where they were portrayed as the ultimate.
The last part of the story remains and its ultimate is the last remaining WS title holder who dethroned both WSC and WSM sometimes in the last ~10 years but their titles remained for hype purposes despite being wrong in present/were presented as rumor instead.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#4
WSM title - Embodiment of power which shakes the world
WSS title - Embodiment of swordsmanship at its best
WSC title - Embodiment of inhuman might

These are hype tools and descriptors of the legacy of said characters, their specific attributes have to stand out for the population at large to spread the word. No matter how strong one is they aren't getting called the World's Strongest Creature unless they look non human for example.

Gura is fitting for the WSM, Black blade is fitting for the WSS, Oni who ate the dragon fruit is fitting for the WSC. Reason past legends don't have them is because Oda found other ways to hype them, and those characters are not as defined by specific traits anyway. Mihawk fits the WSS more than Xebec regardless of who is stronger, same applies to Xebec and Kaidou concerning WSC.
 
#6
28 years ago, Kaido is embodiment of might, he already reached his peak and is the strongest of all.
Kaido directly said that if Oden had fought him the moment he arrived and not danced for 5 years, he’d probably have lost


King which was Ryuma was the strongest swordsman.
yeah but the reason he didn’t have the title of WSS is because he didn’t leave Wano

also Monsters isn’t canon
WSS title - Due to zoro
this is meta stuff… In the OP world the WSS title doesn’t exist for Zoro… that’s the “out of the verse” meta reason
 
#9
I disagree, the WSC title is based on Kaido being unable to die or be killed. Hence how he still suffered 7 losses, being captured 18 times, being tortured and yet didn't die because the supreme king haki is a rare ability that is needed to harm him.

Anyhow I agree, these titles are new or part of the current era and used for propaganda. Just like how Rock didnt want to be pirate king but somebody who wanted to rule the world. BB not getting the title of WSM after killing Whitebeard or stealing his fruit.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#11
You mean a collection of fodder? You think Kaido was scared of a fodder army? That’s a very bad sign for how strong Kaido that a fodder army was a threat to him
No, that is how the game of numbers works, as irrelevant as they might be to Kaido himself.
In case you forgot, he didn't fight Oden and Scabbards alone but brought his entire army.
These are wars, not imaginary 1vs1 fights.
 
#12
For the n'th time only one World strongest Exist at a time.

When Whitebeard was 39~41 he was WSM ,
Kaidou was , around 24
Mihawk was , around 8 years old.

When Kaidou became WSC. Around 39~41
Mihawk was , around 23 year old.

When mihawk became WSS , around 39~41
Kaidou was , 59 , at the time of his death.


There are no WSC or WSM because both of them are dead , they carried along their past title to present but was not their at their peak.
 
#13
Kaido's title is for being the absolute strongest living thing.

Whitebeard's title is probably tied to his devil fruit in some way if VC's and the Ace novel are to be believed.

Mihawk's title is predominantly skill related.

Regardless, Oda never intended for these titles to be transferable or obtainable in a fight or tournament or whatever, they simply exist solely for the character that they were created alongside, as an easy means of hype and conveying how strong Oda intends the character to be.
 
#16
No, that is how the game of numbers works, as irrelevant as they might be to Kaido himself.
In case you forgot, he didn't fight Oden and Scabbards alone but brought his entire army.
These are wars, not imaginary 1vs1 fights.
If the numbers are irrelevant to Kaido then they are irrelevant to him. He’d kill Oden and then kill all the fodder, right?
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If it was like that, Blackbeard would have been WSM since Marineford.
You think Blackbeard instantaneously became as good with the gura Gura the moment he got it? Whitebeard had that fruit for decades and didn’t get better at using it?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#17
If the numbers are irrelevant to Kaido then they are irrelevant to him. He’d kill Oden and then kill all the fodder, right?
Oda sees this differently, Kaido himself was gathering fodder troops for the big war despite them being "useless".
You think Blackbeard instantaneously became as good with the gura Gura the moment he got it? Whitebeard had that fruit for decades and didn’t get better at using it?
Yes, more or less. Blackbeard will take that fruit further than WB could, thus the re-use.
Kaku had the fruit for 2 years and still awakened way faster than Lucci who had it for probably couple of decades.

Shiryu got the fruit for less than a year and will take it far higher than Absalom could in countless years.
Just like Zoro will forge a Black Blade at age 21 while Venus couldn't in centuries. These things are determined purely by narrative requirement.
 
#20
One hit from him devastated Marineford in the same amount as the hit from Whitebeard did.
One grabbed the air and tilted the seas, the other did the exact same.
Marineford was Whitebeard's showoff and all he demonstrated with the fruit, Blackbeard already replicated in MF.
Whitebeard is stated to be able to end the world. You think shaking an island can end the world?
 
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