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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#24
We have a new contender here with Yoko Yoko



Where do you rank him among the right hands of GG ?

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I would rank him in that Heavenly King range, him having strength on par with Gaimou and being way above Rokuomi is enough to warrant that. All of the Heavenly Kings have a wide variety of abilities/specialties but his martial strength is up there and qualifies him to be among the Heavenly King level dudes.

In terms of his IQ he is pretty good as well but I wouldn’t put his IQ on par with people like Garyuu or Shunsuiju at this time. Maybe I’d put him around Bananji level intellectually.
 
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I would rank him in that Heavenly King range, him having strength on par with Gaimou and being way above Rokuomi is enough to warrant that. All of the Heavenly Kings have a wide variety of abilities/specialties but his martial strength is up there and qualifies him to be among the Heavenly King level dudes.

In terms of his IQ he is pretty good as well but I wouldn’t put his IQ on par with people like Garyuu or Shunsuiju at this time. Maybe I’d put him around Bananji level intellectually.
If by strength you mean duelling ability, then that + Bananji brains would be above HK tbh. Gaimou is far above Bananji in a duel obviously.

We only have a snapshot of his abilities though so it is a tough one. He was in about 10 chapters so plot dictated we had a limited view of his leadership skills or his tactics. He definitely had a good head on his shoulders though so would be far from a brute.

The stats will at least give us another layer of evidence to look at, given our limited knowledge at this stage.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#26
If by strength you mean duelling ability, then that + Bananji brains would be above HK tbh. Gaimou is far above Bananji in a duel obviously.

We only have a snapshot of his abilities though so it is a tough one. He was in about 10 chapters so plot dictated we had a limited view of his leadership skills or his tactics. He definitely had a good head on his shoulders though so would be far from a brute.

The stats will at least give us another layer of evidence to look at, given our limited knowledge at this stage.
Gaimou isn’t far above Bananji, they are relative. Gaimou in a close fight.

Besides, Yoko may legit just be above Gaimou straight up overall, remember that we don’t know who Yoko actually is. He could’ve been an ex GG above Gaimou in stature, in fact that’s already looking likely if Yoko is relative to Gaimou in strength but is just straight up smarter than him.
 
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Gaimou isn’t far above Bananji, they are relative. Gaimou in a close fight.

Besides, Yoko may legit just be above Gaimou straight up overall, remember that we don’t know who Yoko actually is. He could’ve been an ex GG above Gaimou in stature, in fact that’s already looking likely if Yoko is relative to Gaimou in strength but is just straight up smarter than him.
Nan Bananji and Gaimou are totally different calibre, as martial monsters. Gaimou is the martial figure of a state, who rose to the top of that era on the back of that attribute with little else to contribute. A man who killed 100 other generals, rival to Shin etc. The martial beast of 7 Fire Dragons. All this being substantiated by a 97 stat, one of the absolute highest numbers we’ve seen.

Bananji is really strong but there’s no duelling comparison
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#29
Nan Bananji and Gaimou are totally different calibre, as martial monsters. Gaimou is the martial figure of a state, who rose to the top of that era on the back of that attribute with little else to contribute. A man who killed 100 other generals, rival to Shin etc. The martial beast of 7 Fire Dragons. All this being substantiated by a 97 stat, one of the absolute highest numbers we’ve seen.

Bananji is really strong but there’s no duelling comparison
Bananji was directly compared to Renpa and was also called a Demon by the Xiongnu, he has killed probably as many Xiongnu commanders as Gaimou has killed plains generals, and the average Xiongnu commander is probably > the average plains general
 
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Bananji was directly compared to Renpa and was also called a Demon by the Xiongnu, he has killed probably as many Xiongnu commanders as Gaimou has killed plains generals, and the average Xiongnu commander is probably > the average plains general
His strength of arms was considered an equal to both Kaishibou and Renpa. This is not the same as combat ability, you’re confusing the two. Bananji and Gaimou would be comparable in brute strength.

Killing Xiognu does not equal itself to the hype and portrayal of being the strongest ever dueller from a great state, who rose to the pinnacle of that state on the back of his duelling attributes. All of which is backed up by the fact that he’s got the joint 5th highest stat that we have ever seen - which is befitting of a man with the credentials listed above. It’s no coincidence.

Bananji isn’t this guy. He’s a monster in his own right, but there’s levels and Gaimou is firmly in top tier conversations.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#31
His strength of arms was considered an equal to both Kaishibou and Renpa. This is not the same as combat ability, you’re confusing the two. Bananji and Gaimou would be comparable in brute strength.

Killing Xiognu does not equal itself to the hype and portrayal of being the strongest ever dueller from a great state, who rose to the pinnacle of that state on the back of his duelling attributes. All of which is backed up by the fact that he’s got the joint 5th highest stat that we have ever seen - which is befitting of a man with the credentials listed above. It’s no coincidence.

Bananji isn’t this guy. He’s a monster in his own right, but there’s levels and Gaimou is firmly in top tier conversations.
Gaimou is the most suspect warrior in the whole manga alongside Renpa tbh, the amount of warriors who have just been straight up said to be equal to him is pretty crazy.

And I think you need to reread how much of an insane feat it is to survive even one battle against the Xiongnu, let alone killing so many of their commanders that you’ve lost count like Bananji. The Zhao north was like a graveyard for Zhao GGs in the days before Riboku.
 
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Akou, Gyou'Un, Rokuomi, Bananji, Kaishibou, Kansaro, Raido, Bajio

Round 1 : brawl time : who is the strongest fighter ?

Round 2 : Brain time : who is the best tactical wise ?

Round 3 : Leadership wise : who is the best leader ?

Round 4 : Who would you pick as right hand overall for your army ?
Ignoring Hara's mostly bullshit anyway stats --

Brawn
  1. Gyou'un
  2. Yoko Yoko
  3. Ba Jio
  4. Ba Nan Ji
  5. Kai Shi Bou
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Kan Saro
  8. A Kou
  9. Rai Do
Brain
  1. Kan Saro
  2. Gyou'un
  3. Kai Shi Bou
  4. A Kou
  5. Ba Nan Ji
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Yoko Yoko
  8. Rai Do
  9. Ba Jio
Leader
  1. Kai Shi Bou
  2. Gyou'un
  3. A Kou
  4. Kan Saro
  5. Ba Nan Ji
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Ba Jio
  8. Rai Do
  9. Yoko Yoko
Ranked
  1. Gyou'un
  2. Kai Shi Bou
  3. A Kou
  4. Ba Nan Ji
  5. Roku O Mi
  6. Kan Saro
  7. Ba Jio
  8. Yoko Yoko
  9. Rai Do
This is the only correct list.
 
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Gaimou is the most suspect warrior in the whole manga alongside Renpa tbh, the amount of warriors who have just been straight up said to be equal to him is pretty crazy.

And I think you need to reread how much of an insane feat it is to survive even one battle against the Xiongnu, let alone killing so many of their commanders that you’ve lost count like Bananji. The Zhao north was like a graveyard for Zhao GGs in the days before Riboku.
Gaimou and Renpa are two of the most hyped duelists in the series lol. Gaimou’s entire character is largely based on that - and he climbed to the position of strongest ever in a state. There shouldn’t be anything suspect unless you just want to ignore the series lol. Hype, portrayal, stats, backstory, pedigree, you name it.

Killing Xiognu is great and all but when you reach the level of the top tiers, it’s actually not so much. Rinbukun had very similar hype - he did the equivalent of Bananji, to the equivalent opponent. Just like Bananji, Rinbukun is also a monster, generally speaking, and funnily enough their comparable hype, against comparable enemies, resulted in comparable stats. But you saw what happened with Rinbukun.

It was said that Generals were sent to Ganmon, not GGs.
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Ignoring Hara's mostly bullshit anyway stats --

Brawn
  1. Gyou'un
  2. Yoko Yoko
  3. Ba Jio
  4. Ba Nan Ji
  5. Kai Shi Bou
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Kan Saro
  8. A Kou
  9. Rai Do
Brain
  1. Kan Saro
  2. Gyou'un
  3. Kai Shi Bou
  4. A Kou
  5. Ba Nan Ji
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Yoko Yoko
  8. Rai Do
  9. Ba Jio
Leader
  1. Kai Shi Bou
  2. Gyou'un
  3. A Kou
  4. Kan Saro
  5. Ba Nan Ji
  6. Roku O Mi
  7. Ba Jio
  8. Rai Do
  9. Yoko Yoko
Ranked
  1. Gyou'un
  2. Kai Shi Bou
  3. A Kou
  4. Ba Nan Ji
  5. Roku O Mi
  6. Kan Saro
  7. Ba Jio
  8. Yoko Yoko
  9. Rai Do
This is the only correct list.
Kansaro and particularly Yoko probably haven’t had enough panel time or emphasis for us to have accurate assessments on them yet I think. It wouldn’t actually surprise me if Kansaro is a greater overall monster than you have him here, though it’s too early to make it a prediction.

Particularly with Yoko, there is a lot of hints without much showing due to a simple lack of panel time. It’s a situation like this where the stats will actually become very important because there simply isn’t the panel time in the story to say he is A or B, so the stats will have a lot of weight to them in our scaling because it should really be edging us one way or the other, unless we just want to stubbornly ignore them and stick to an assessment that is based on very little.
 
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