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We have a new contender here with Yoko Yoko
Where do you rank him among the right hands of GG ?
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Where do you rank him among the right hands of GG ?
@Elder Lee Hung @God Buggy @Rumble @Pirao @Cichy @Owl Ki @SakazOuki @Yo Tan Wa @TheKnightOfTheSea etc etc
In terms of his IQ he is pretty good as well but I wouldn’t put his IQ on par with people like Garyuu or Shunsuiju at this time. Maybe I’d put him around Bananji level intellectually.
If by strength you mean duelling ability, then that + Bananji brains would be above HK tbh. Gaimou is far above Bananji in a duel obviously.
We only have a snapshot of his abilities though so it is a tough one. He was in about 10 chapters so plot dictated we had a limited view of his leadership skills or his tactics. He definitely had a good head on his shoulders though so would be far from a brute.
The stats will at least give us another layer of evidence to look at, given our limited knowledge at this stage.
We only have a snapshot of his abilities though so it is a tough one. He was in about 10 chapters so plot dictated we had a limited view of his leadership skills or his tactics. He definitely had a good head on his shoulders though so would be far from a brute.
The stats will at least give us another layer of evidence to look at, given our limited knowledge at this stage.
Gaimou isn’t far above Bananji, they are relative. Gaimou in a close fight.
Besides, Yoko may legit just be above Gaimou straight up overall, remember that we don’t know who Yoko actually is. He could’ve been an ex GG above Gaimou in stature, in fact that’s already looking likely if Yoko is relative to Gaimou in strength but is just straight up smarter than him.
Besides, Yoko may legit just be above Gaimou straight up overall, remember that we don’t know who Yoko actually is. He could’ve been an ex GG above Gaimou in stature, in fact that’s already looking likely if Yoko is relative to Gaimou in strength but is just straight up smarter than him.
Nan Bananji and Gaimou are totally different calibre, as martial monsters. Gaimou is the martial figure of a state, who rose to the top of that era on the back of that attribute with little else to contribute. A man who killed 100 other generals, rival to Shin etc. The martial beast of 7 Fire Dragons. All this being substantiated by a 97 stat, one of the absolute highest numbers we’ve seen.
Bananji is really strong but there’s no duelling comparison
Bananji is really strong but there’s no duelling comparison
His strength of arms was considered an equal to both Kaishibou and Renpa. This is not the same as combat ability, you’re confusing the two. Bananji and Gaimou would be comparable in brute strength.
Killing Xiognu does not equal itself to the hype and portrayal of being the strongest ever dueller from a great state, who rose to the pinnacle of that state on the back of his duelling attributes. All of which is backed up by the fact that he’s got the joint 5th highest stat that we have ever seen - which is befitting of a man with the credentials listed above. It’s no coincidence.
Bananji isn’t this guy. He’s a monster in his own right, but there’s levels and Gaimou is firmly in top tier conversations.
Killing Xiognu does not equal itself to the hype and portrayal of being the strongest ever dueller from a great state, who rose to the pinnacle of that state on the back of his duelling attributes. All of which is backed up by the fact that he’s got the joint 5th highest stat that we have ever seen - which is befitting of a man with the credentials listed above. It’s no coincidence.
Bananji isn’t this guy. He’s a monster in his own right, but there’s levels and Gaimou is firmly in top tier conversations.
Gaimou is the most suspect warrior in the whole manga alongside Renpa tbh, the amount of warriors who have just been straight up said to be equal to him is pretty crazy.
And I think you need to reread how much of an insane feat it is to survive even one battle against the Xiongnu, let alone killing so many of their commanders that you’ve lost count like Bananji. The Zhao north was like a graveyard for Zhao GGs in the days before Riboku.
And I think you need to reread how much of an insane feat it is to survive even one battle against the Xiongnu, let alone killing so many of their commanders that you’ve lost count like Bananji. The Zhao north was like a graveyard for Zhao GGs in the days before Riboku.
Ignoring Hara's mostly bullshit anyway stats --
Brawn
Brawn
- Gyou'un
- Yoko Yoko
- Ba Jio
- Ba Nan Ji
- Kai Shi Bou
- Roku O Mi
- Kan Saro
- A Kou
- Rai Do
- Kan Saro
- Gyou'un
- Kai Shi Bou
- A Kou
- Ba Nan Ji
- Roku O Mi
- Yoko Yoko
- Rai Do
- Ba Jio
- Kai Shi Bou
- Gyou'un
- A Kou
- Kan Saro
- Ba Nan Ji
- Roku O Mi
- Ba Jio
- Rai Do
- Yoko Yoko
- Gyou'un
- Kai Shi Bou
- A Kou
- Ba Nan Ji
- Roku O Mi
- Kan Saro
- Ba Jio
- Yoko Yoko
- Rai Do
Gaimou and Renpa are two of the most hyped duelists in the series lol. Gaimou’s entire character is largely based on that - and he climbed to the position of strongest ever in a state. There shouldn’t be anything suspect unless you just want to ignore the series lol. Hype, portrayal, stats, backstory, pedigree, you name it.
Killing Xiognu is great and all but when you reach the level of the top tiers, it’s actually not so much. Rinbukun had very similar hype - he did the equivalent of Bananji, to the equivalent opponent. Just like Bananji, Rinbukun is also a monster, generally speaking, and funnily enough their comparable hype, against comparable enemies, resulted in comparable stats. But you saw what happened with Rinbukun.
It was said that Generals were sent to Ganmon, not GGs.
Kansaro and particularly Yoko probably haven’t had enough panel time or emphasis for us to have accurate assessments on them yet I think. It wouldn’t actually surprise me if Kansaro is a greater overall monster than you have him here, though it’s too early to make it a prediction.
Particularly with Yoko, there is a lot of hints without much showing due to a simple lack of panel time. It’s a situation like this where the stats will actually become very important because there simply isn’t the panel time in the story to say he is A or B, so the stats will have a lot of weight to them in our scaling because it should really be edging us one way or the other, unless we just want to stubbornly ignore them and stick to an assessment that is based on very little.
Killing Xiognu is great and all but when you reach the level of the top tiers, it’s actually not so much. Rinbukun had very similar hype - he did the equivalent of Bananji, to the equivalent opponent. Just like Bananji, Rinbukun is also a monster, generally speaking, and funnily enough their comparable hype, against comparable enemies, resulted in comparable stats. But you saw what happened with Rinbukun.
It was said that Generals were sent to Ganmon, not GGs.
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Kansaro and particularly Yoko probably haven’t had enough panel time or emphasis for us to have accurate assessments on them yet I think. It wouldn’t actually surprise me if Kansaro is a greater overall monster than you have him here, though it’s too early to make it a prediction.
Particularly with Yoko, there is a lot of hints without much showing due to a simple lack of panel time. It’s a situation like this where the stats will actually become very important because there simply isn’t the panel time in the story to say he is A or B, so the stats will have a lot of weight to them in our scaling because it should really be edging us one way or the other, unless we just want to stubbornly ignore them and stick to an assessment that is based on very little.
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So is every character in this conversation. Lol
You’d actually have to ignore the manga to pretend like Gaimou has ever been a standout warrior compared to the other characters we are discussing.
Shin directly compared an out of shape Gyou’Un to Gaimou. Shin also compared Yoko to Gaimou. Characters like these are meant to serve as measuring sticks for us to observe Shin’s growth, Hara intentionally didn’t make Gaimou any stronger than Gyou’Un or Yoko on purpose.
Now if you want to pretend that Gaimou has imaginary stats above Gyou’Un or Yoko like experience, which is heavily suspect given that Gyou’Un fought through the golden age of warfare and Yoko is heavily foreshadowed to be a huge name himself…
Then you again have to ignore that Gaimou was effectively stalemated by the weakest and most inexperienced version of Shin to ever wield a Glaive on the battlefield.
It is literally only by ignoring Gaimou’s portrayal that you can pretend he’s more special than Yoko or Gyou’Un,
I already touched on Gaimou’s completely equal portrayal to Gyou’Un and Yoko above, but there is absolutely nothing about Gaimou’s backstory that was standout. All we know about Gaimou is that he was a mighty warrior who killed a bunch of generals. That’s it. Everything else you said about him was just completely made up, I don’t even know where you got that Gaimou was the strongest warrior in Wei history. Do you just mean that we’ve never seen a stronger warrior from Wei? Because him being the strongest in Wei’s history was never once stated.
Rinbukun’s hype was nothing like Bananji’s. There’s a reason that Ribukun was never directly compared to any Qin 6 level warriors and Tou showed us that. A much better comparison for Bananji would be Ranbihaku, who clashed equally with Tou, made him retreat, and was directly said to have fought against Ouki and Kyou and given them trouble.
Bananji was directly compared to Renpa by a highly credible source in Chougaryuu, and this is consistent with Shin comparing Bananji’s superior Gyou’Un to Renpa’s superior Gaimou. Comparing Bananji to Rinbukun is as wrong as comparing Yoko to Rokuomi or Sento’Un.
You’d actually have to ignore the manga to pretend like Gaimou has ever been a standout warrior compared to the other characters we are discussing.
Shin directly compared an out of shape Gyou’Un to Gaimou. Shin also compared Yoko to Gaimou. Characters like these are meant to serve as measuring sticks for us to observe Shin’s growth, Hara intentionally didn’t make Gaimou any stronger than Gyou’Un or Yoko on purpose.
Now if you want to pretend that Gaimou has imaginary stats above Gyou’Un or Yoko like experience, which is heavily suspect given that Gyou’Un fought through the golden age of warfare and Yoko is heavily foreshadowed to be a huge name himself…
Then you again have to ignore that Gaimou was effectively stalemated by the weakest and most inexperienced version of Shin to ever wield a Glaive on the battlefield.
It is literally only by ignoring Gaimou’s portrayal that you can pretend he’s more special than Yoko or Gyou’Un,
I already touched on Gaimou’s completely equal portrayal to Gyou’Un and Yoko above, but there is absolutely nothing about Gaimou’s backstory that was standout. All we know about Gaimou is that he was a mighty warrior who killed a bunch of generals. That’s it. Everything else you said about him was just completely made up, I don’t even know where you got that Gaimou was the strongest warrior in Wei history. Do you just mean that we’ve never seen a stronger warrior from Wei? Because him being the strongest in Wei’s history was never once stated.
Rinbukun’s hype was nothing like Bananji’s. There’s a reason that Ribukun was never directly compared to any Qin 6 level warriors and Tou showed us that. A much better comparison for Bananji would be Ranbihaku, who clashed equally with Tou, made him retreat, and was directly said to have fought against Ouki and Kyou and given them trouble.
Bananji was directly compared to Renpa by a highly credible source in Chougaryuu, and this is consistent with Shin comparing Bananji’s superior Gyou’Un to Renpa’s superior Gaimou. Comparing Bananji to Rinbukun is as wrong as comparing Yoko to Rokuomi or Sento’Un.
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Far from it. How many guys are the greatest fighters in a great state and the main fighter in a legendary group that stands near the top of China?
This is almost outrageous.
The strongest Fire Dragon, Shin’s future opponent, the joint 5th highest stat in verse. The greatest dueller with the most hype that we have ever seen from Wei, covering multiple generations.
I think you need to reassess the way you interpret hype and comparisons. He compared the weight of Gyou’un’s blow to Gaimou. Because both possess the weight worthy of a GG. He said it’s the strongest weight since then, which involved a list of Keisha, Batei etc. Naturally, when faced with a monster with huge weight, the comparison would not be those guys, but would be Gaimou.
Gaimou is Shin’s reference point because narratively he is the man Shin will face in a duel to the death. Houken aside, it’s the best opponent he’ll face and is the strongest weight-filled GG he’s duelled.
Hara purposely did make a distinct gap between Gaimou and the others. Look at how few guys get a 97 plus.
Why use imaginary when I can use the actual stats which represent what we’ve also seen in the manga?
Not really. He’s been shown to come from a high lineage of a small state and this was a target. Don’t make it out to be more then it is.
Shin wasn’t stalemated. Gaimou was playing with him. There’s a reason Gaimou is the symbolic character for Wei’s martial might yo this day. He’s going to be fighting near peak level Shin and it’s going to be a damned good fight.
Except you have ignored his lol. You’ve not acknowledged any of the examples to back up his pedigree as a top tier and instead focused on quotes that you take out of the accurate context.
Yes in the history of the manga. Gaimou was the strongest of the Fire Dragons. Gaimou wasn’t just a mighty warrior, he was the absolute peak of a major state. The reference point that guys are compared to, the opponent for the MC, a 97 stat. The guy whose entire character and being, is based around duelling other people.
Having a blow that rivals Gaimou does not mean equal as a fighter.
Bananji’s duelling ability was never compared to Renpa so let’s stop with the misunderstanding of Chougaryu’s hype.
Bananji’s duelling hype comes from his work against the Xiognu and how he would beat them 1v1. Rinbukun’s hype comes from his work against the Yue tribes - equivalent to Xiognu - and how he would beat them 1v1. Very similar hype, backed up by very similar stats - funny that, isn’t it?
I’m begging you to please understand context behind hype lol.
Please go and reread Chougaryu’s hype. He was talking about his strength of arm. Same with Kaishibou.
In essence, Chougaryu was saying Bananji is a smart guy tactically and an absolute powerhouse when in the thick of the action. This is the crux of your misunderstanding.
This is almost outrageous.
The strongest Fire Dragon, Shin’s future opponent, the joint 5th highest stat in verse. The greatest dueller with the most hype that we have ever seen from Wei, covering multiple generations.
I think you need to reassess the way you interpret hype and comparisons. He compared the weight of Gyou’un’s blow to Gaimou. Because both possess the weight worthy of a GG. He said it’s the strongest weight since then, which involved a list of Keisha, Batei etc. Naturally, when faced with a monster with huge weight, the comparison would not be those guys, but would be Gaimou.
Gaimou is Shin’s reference point because narratively he is the man Shin will face in a duel to the death. Houken aside, it’s the best opponent he’ll face and is the strongest weight-filled GG he’s duelled.
Hara purposely did make a distinct gap between Gaimou and the others. Look at how few guys get a 97 plus.
Why use imaginary when I can use the actual stats which represent what we’ve also seen in the manga?
Not really. He’s been shown to come from a high lineage of a small state and this was a target. Don’t make it out to be more then it is.
Shin wasn’t stalemated. Gaimou was playing with him. There’s a reason Gaimou is the symbolic character for Wei’s martial might yo this day. He’s going to be fighting near peak level Shin and it’s going to be a damned good fight.
Except you have ignored his lol. You’ve not acknowledged any of the examples to back up his pedigree as a top tier and instead focused on quotes that you take out of the accurate context.
Yes in the history of the manga. Gaimou was the strongest of the Fire Dragons. Gaimou wasn’t just a mighty warrior, he was the absolute peak of a major state. The reference point that guys are compared to, the opponent for the MC, a 97 stat. The guy whose entire character and being, is based around duelling other people.
Having a blow that rivals Gaimou does not mean equal as a fighter.
Bananji’s duelling ability was never compared to Renpa so let’s stop with the misunderstanding of Chougaryu’s hype.
Bananji’s duelling hype comes from his work against the Xiognu and how he would beat them 1v1. Rinbukun’s hype comes from his work against the Yue tribes - equivalent to Xiognu - and how he would beat them 1v1. Very similar hype, backed up by very similar stats - funny that, isn’t it?
I’m begging you to please understand context behind hype lol.
Please go and reread Chougaryu’s hype. He was talking about his strength of arm. Same with Kaishibou.
In essence, Chougaryu was saying Bananji is a smart guy tactically and an absolute powerhouse when in the thick of the action. This is the crux of your misunderstanding.
The three fighters we are discussing. Lmfao
Prime Gyou’Un was literally referred to as the martial might of Zhao, and Yoko was also referred to as the strongest warrior in Han (something never once said about Gaimou in Wei)
Why not put on clown makeup and juggle bowling pins on a unicycle why you’re at it? I’m not going to dignify Hara’s drunken stat system with any entertainment. If 90 Shouheikun can neg 90 Wategi, 97 Man’U would mid diff 97s Renpa and Gaimou.
And we’ve reached the inevitable moment of Gaimou fans coping and seething over Gaimou’s disappointing performance against Shin.
Gaimou was absolutely not playing with Shin, he was screaming at the top of his lungs and was having an exhilarating battle on both separate occasions where he failed to defeat Shin lol. And to be clear I’m not even downplaying Gaimou for this because Shin has always been strong as hell, but you’re out of your mind if you think Gaimou has some imaginary experience stats or whatever that would put him above Yoko or Gyou’Un when that didn’t manifest at all in his fights with Shin.
I have acknowledged the only hype he gets in the manga. Literally his only hype was as a mighty warrior who killed many enemies of Wei. That’s it. Absolutely no other hype has been placed on him as a warrior, the rest of his hype is simply as a member of the Wei Fire Dragons.
Okay first of all, saying the Xiongnu and Baiyue are equivalent tribes is so horribly wrong I don’t even know where to begin.
Secondly there’s an elephant in the room you are completely ignoring. I usually don’t like to play this card but since you’ve taken everything else out of context, it’s time to once again silence delusional Gaimou fans:
Now go ahead and explain to me why Laimou pushes Ouki any harder than Rinbukun pushed Tou when this page exists. Since you think Tou would treat Bananji like he treated Rinbukun, apparently. This shit should be good
Prime Gyou’Un was literally referred to as the martial might of Zhao, and Yoko was also referred to as the strongest warrior in Han (something never once said about Gaimou in Wei)
Why not put on clown makeup and juggle bowling pins on a unicycle why you’re at it? I’m not going to dignify Hara’s drunken stat system with any entertainment. If 90 Shouheikun can neg 90 Wategi, 97 Man’U would mid diff 97s Renpa and Gaimou.
And we’ve reached the inevitable moment of Gaimou fans coping and seething over Gaimou’s disappointing performance against Shin.
Gaimou was absolutely not playing with Shin, he was screaming at the top of his lungs and was having an exhilarating battle on both separate occasions where he failed to defeat Shin lol. And to be clear I’m not even downplaying Gaimou for this because Shin has always been strong as hell, but you’re out of your mind if you think Gaimou has some imaginary experience stats or whatever that would put him above Yoko or Gyou’Un when that didn’t manifest at all in his fights with Shin.
I have acknowledged the only hype he gets in the manga. Literally his only hype was as a mighty warrior who killed many enemies of Wei. That’s it. Absolutely no other hype has been placed on him as a warrior, the rest of his hype is simply as a member of the Wei Fire Dragons.
Okay first of all, saying the Xiongnu and Baiyue are equivalent tribes is so horribly wrong I don’t even know where to begin.
The Xiongnu represented an existential threat to all of China post Zhao falling, the Baiyue tribes were extinguished by Moubu in an afternoon. They literally had to build the Great Wall of China to stop the Xiongnu.
Secondly there’s an elephant in the room you are completely ignoring. I usually don’t like to play this card but since you’ve taken everything else out of context, it’s time to once again silence delusional Gaimou fans:
Now go ahead and explain to me why Laimou pushes Ouki any harder than Rinbukun pushed Tou when this page exists. Since you think Tou would treat Bananji like he treated Rinbukun, apparently. This shit should be good