Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1156 Spoilers Discussion

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Hashirama and Madara are out of thr scale. Which is understandable by any reader here.

Mid gen -> Kakashi / Might guy / Obito
Old gen -> Sarutobi / Minato /Jiraya
New gen -> Naruto / Sasuke

Hashirama and Madara were seen as Ancient gen. Comparable to Joyboy , Imu and Ryuma.

Indra and Ashura can go date back 1st world and Nika and world Serpent or other gods.
Old gen is the originals in the modern day. The first pirate king, the first Hokage.

Hashirama and Madara were the old gen top tiers. The ancient gen is people like Ashura and Indra.

Shanks isn’t surpassing Roger. The mid gen never surpasses the old gen
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
I mean I don’t think the Rocks Pirates as a concept is good writing to begin with, so I’m fine if Oda throws some extra bad writing on top of it lol
I mean fair enough, but there’s also the possibility that you are just overestimating these guys lol. I find it far more likely that Rox’s guys like Silver Axe and Captain John were YC1/2 rather than them being a crew of around 20 Admiral level fighters…lmfao

People really disrespect the YC1’s hard by thinking that Rock’s crew couldn’t be this strong unless every member was a f***ing Admiral. Lol

I mean did Roger and Garp defeat 20+ Admirals? Lmfao
 
Shiki Wang Zhi and Silver axe hype is so funny to me

Any time you got more and more Rocks members showing up all you need to know is that they’re less relevant than WB BM and Kaido among Rocks hierarchy

Kaido legit might have been 4/5th strongest member after Xebec WB and BM. Shiki is virtually not relevant in today’s era and he lost as a pirate in the most pathetic way possible, to randomass weather conditions :kobeha:
 
I mean fair enough, but there’s also the possibility that you are just overestimating these guys lol. I find it far more likely that Rox’s guys like Silver Axe and Captain John were YC1/2 rather than them being a crew of around 20 Admiral level fighters…lmfao

People really disrespect the YC1’s hard by thinking that Rock’s crew couldn’t be this strong unless every member was a f***ing Admiral. Lol

I mean did Roger and Garp defeat 20+ Admirals? Lmfao
The real question is:

Is Xebec Admiral level, Papa Lee?
 
I mean fair enough, but there’s also the possibility that you are just overestimating these guys lol. I find it far more likely that Rox’s guys like Silver Axe and Captain John were YC1/2 rather than them being a crew of around 20 Admiral level fighters…lmfao

People really disrespect the YC1’s hard by thinking that Rock’s crew couldn’t be this strong unless every member was a f***ing Admiral. Lol

I mean did Roger and Garp defeat 20+ Admirals? Lmfao
Shiki was originally intended to be an Admiral, so he should be Admiral level in his prime. Silver Axe is Shiki’s equal, so he’s also Admiral level. Wang Zhi and Captain John were grouped with Shiki and Silver Axe by Sengoku, so they should be Admiral level too. Guys like Gil Bastar, Gloriosa, Ganzai, Marlon, etc were the high tiers of Rocks
 
Shiki was originally intended to be an Admiral, so he should be Admiral level in his prime. Silver Axe is Shiki’s equal, so he’s also Admiral level. Wang Zhi and Captain John were grouped with Shiki and Silver Axe by Sengoku, so they should be Admiral level too. Guys like Gil Bastar, Gloriosa, Ganzai, Marlon, etc were the high tiers of Rocks
Gill Bastar is Ryuma level, he was an OG Oda protagonist :beckmoji:
 
Wang Zhi had all of Hachinosu behind him. All that you really need to become a Yonko is to be the 4th most influential pirate. Wang Zhi was so ass that the WG never wanted to group him with WB, Kaido, and BM, and they didn’t start the Yonko system until 6 years ago when Shanks reached that level
the problems of oda not planning the story out and just making it up as he go tbh
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
The real question is:

Is Xebec Admiral level, Papa Lee?
He’s the strongest pirate of all time by far, that’s for sure.

Shiki was originally intended to be an Admiral, so he should be Admiral level in his prime. Silver Axe is Shiki’s equal, so he’s also Admiral level. Wang Zhi and Captain John were grouped with Shiki and Silver Axe by Sengoku, so they should be Admiral level too. Guys like Gil Bastar, Gloriosa, Ganzai, Marlon, etc were the high tiers of Rocks
Zoro was originally intended to be a member of Buggy’s crew. Shall we scale Zoro accordingly?

Do you think Shiki reached his prime at the time he was Silver Axe’s rival? That was years later my guy. Shit changes lol.
 
Old gen is the originals in the modern day. The first pirate king, the first Hokage.

Hashirama and Madara were the old gen top tiers. The ancient gen is people like Ashura and Indra.

Shanks isn’t surpassing Roger. The mid gen never surpasses the old gen
Shanks been already compared to Joyboy the ancient's ancient gen. Wake up princess or you are up for a rude awakening.
 
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