Break Week What are Swordsmen? What does it mean to be WSS? Directly answered by Zoro

#41
So what is swordsmanship then?

so what does Oda mean when he says Mihawk’s swordsmanship is superior to Shanks?

by this I’m asking both WHAT does this mean in the story and also WHY did Oda bother mentioning this seemingly useless fact about Mihawk

so… is Shanks a swordsman?
I have opinions on swordsmanship but that's a separate thread entirely anyway. And less pure canon.

The point of this thread was just the canonical (as far as Zoro is concerned) definition of swordsmen and what does it mean to be strongest swordsman.
 
#43
One has to live by it
What does this mean?
What seems to matter is Sword Skill
sword skill is swordsmanship

but if you want then I will change the wording

What is “Sword skill”?
I have opinions on swordsmanship but that's a separate thread entirely anyway. And less pure canon.

The point of this thread was just the canonical (as far as Zoro is concerned) definition of swordsmen and what does it mean to be strongest swordsman.
you don’t think Mihawk being introduced as having superior swordsmanship to Shanks has anything to do with him being WSS?

you are legit saying swordsmanship has nothing to do with the WSS title at all?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#44
What does this mean?

sword skill is swordsmanship

but if you want then I will change the wording

What is “Sword skill”?

you don’t think Mihawk being introduced as having superior swordsmanship to Shanks has anything to do with him being WSS?

you are legit saying swordsmanship has nothing to do with the WSS title at all?
Suppose you like to play guitar.

Playing guitar is like having swordsmanship

But playing a particular song on the guitar is guitar skill or sword skill as far as analogy is concerned.

Now suppose you can play multiple instruments. But, you are well versed in only guitar. That's what you prefer playing the most and is good at. So, you are primarily a guitar player.

However, if you have another instrument... let's say a piano .....which you prefer to play more than guitar or in which you are better than guitar then piano is your primary musical instrument even if you know Guitar.

Or you can say you are hybrid as you like both. However, there would be one instrument which you will find yourself more tuned with ..Or play more. ...that will be your primary identification

King isn't a swordsman despite using a sword because he simply prefer using his Lunarian and df abilities more than sword skills. He simply doesn't identify himself as a swordsman despite knowing swordsmanship this isn't his primary style of fighting.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#46
Why is Kaku a swordsman then? He’s master of Rokushiki and he has a DF and most of his abilities were giraffe DF abilities

also King says he doesn’t fight using swordsmanship at all, remember
I already answered it.

Read it again.

Having df abilities or haki doesn't mean you can't be a swordsman. It's about what you prefer the most as fighting style - primary one.

And, king said this



It's not like he doesn't know swordsmanship or sword skills. It's more about him not preferring to rely on it and used other means as well.

Just like guitar. You know Guitar but you prefer to switch to playing piano as well.

You prefer one song to play on guitar and other on piano.

So, king doesn't identify himself as a swordsman in traditional one piece sense
 
#47
It's not like he doesn't know swordsmanship or sword skills.
He doesn’t. He never see a single named sword attack

like go back and check, even his sword stealing move isn’t named… His only named attacks are Zoan DF attacks and lunarian fire attacks

this panel isn’t king saying he isn’t a swordsman because he doesn’t ONLY use sword techniques… You are adding the “ONLY” in your head… He is straight up saying he doesn’t use sword techniques at all… Which is true… he never uses a single sword technique
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#49
He doesn’t. He never see a single named sword attack

like go back and check, even his sword stealing move isn’t named… His only named attacks are Zoan DF attacks and lunarian fire attacks

this panel isn’t king saying he isn’t a swordsman because he doesn’t ONLY use sword techniques… You are adding the “ONLY” in your head… He is straight up saying he doesn’t use sword techniques at all… Which is true… he never uses a single sword technique
That panel is about king beliefs that he doesn't just rely on swordsmanship.


And, king has used his sword to fight. Thus, he has swordsmanship.



He even said he will use blades to honour Zoro or something like that.


And, he used sword skill - Karyudon in which he ingited his sword with flames


He just rely more on df and lunarian abilities than sword skills to be called a swordsman...
 
#53
you are legit saying swordsmanship has nothing to do with the WSS title at all?
No. I'm just saying that everything else is secondary to how Zoro describes it: not losing to someone who is considered a swordsman no matter what.

That's the primary incentive and what entails WSS to Zoro. Ofc a lot of other stuff matters and is part of that journey, but that's still the most fundamental point of it.
 
#54
And, he used sword skill - Karyudon in which he ingited his sword with flames
He doesn’t swing his sword with that attack… You are confusing the manga and the anime… It’s the anime that adds that… In the manga he just uses sword to point the dragon… The the dragon goes off and fights for him… He doesn’t actually use his sword in the attack

He doesn’t use a single named sword technique and that’s his explanation for why he isn’t a swordsman

and this is why Kaku is a swordsman yet he obviously fights with other abilities… because Kaku uses sword techniques
 
#55
Do you speak proper English? Then its WGS:









he already clarified what it means.

Being a Swordsman is an identity. It's not just about using Swordsmanship to varying degrees. You can use some swordsmanship and still not be a swordsman if you don't consider yourself one/aren't considered one by Oda.

But if you ARE a swordsman per Oda/ yourself? Zoro can't lose to you. Other elements are irrelevant.

It's very simple and pure canon. Albeit I also know there is no way to ever convince you as it's your primary agenda, so that's that. You can agree to disagree.
Zolo will lose to a WSM if WSM uses swordsmanship, Zolo will outskill WSM's swordsmanship and prove he is a better swordsman, then WSM will kick Zolo's ass due to Haki, and other fighting styles difference that WSM uses (martial art, or Devil fruit etc).
 
#56
Suppose you like to play guitar.

Playing guitar is like having swordsmanship

But playing a particular song on the guitar is guitar skill or sword skill as far as analogy is concerned.
Oh that's good.. And Rocks Sword Skill is an improvised and untitled song, so it's not considered a official musical song..
@ImmaIvanoM


Do you speak proper English? Then its WGS:










Zolo will lose to a WSM if WSM uses swordsmanship, Zolo will outskill WSM's swordsmanship and prove he is a better swordsman, then WSM will kick Zolo's ass due to Haki, and other fighting styles difference that WSM uses (martial art, or Devil fruit etc).
It's World '' Strongest '' Swordsman.. The literal translation meaning is the only relevant one.. Saikyou solely translate to Strongest, nothing else, and never will..
 
#57
It's World '' Strongest '' Swordsman.. The literal translation meaning is the only relevant one.. Saikyou solely translate to Strongest, nothing else, and never will..
Pro Japanese English translators says they are, you can call help from random Japanese people who aren't pro translators and who don't understand English language so they make google translate, accurate one is still WGS. Every single platform; anime, manga as well as chatgpt and grok uses WGS for a reason. You crying nonstop about google translate won't change this.
 
#58
Pro Japanese English translators says they are, you can call help from random Japanese people who aren't pro translators and who don't understand English language so they make google translate, accurate one is still WGS. Every single platform; anime, manga as well as chatgpt and grok uses WGS for a reason. You crying nonstop about google translate won't change this.
Nope.. Saikyou only translates to Strongest.. Nothing else..
 
#59
Nope.. Saikyou only translates to Strongest.. Nothing else..
Japanese and English are in 2 different language groups. English is in Indo-European, Japanese is in Japonic language family. Completely different, not close languages. So its better to leave it to pro Japanese-English translators who all says WGS is accurate. You being delusional about claiming that you think you can translate Japanese to English by looking at word to word meaning is still funny though. :vistalaugh:
 
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