General & Others God Valley has been fully set up now

[ImmaIvanoM]

We have the GV incident setup fully now.

1. We know that it only happened because Ginny told the pirates that the CDs and their Treasures were on the island. So this wasn’t part of anyone’s plan, it was a coincidence

2. The Rocks pirates came for the CD treasures which were the DF prizes and the Hachinosu treasure that had been stolen. This is revealed to be Shakky.

3. Roger came after Rocks because he was salty that Shakky had joined Rocks and Garp went there for Roger.

4. In chapter 1096, the Rocks pirates are saying “This is the final battle”. Why? Why is this coincidental Battle being called the “Final battle” by multiple Rocks pirates? It’s because the Rocks pirates were going to Disband after this battle since Rock’s plan for World Domination had failed

5. Rocks’ plan for world domination requires Harald to eat the Legendary Elbaf DF. Something we know Harald never did. Therefore The entire reason the Rocks crew was following Rocks, the world domination plan, had failed even before God valley started.

6. The next chapter is going to be the Harald and Rocks final confrontation where Harald maybe tries to Kill Rocks and Rocks makes his final plea for Harald to join him, and Harald refuses for the final time hence ending Rocks’ entire plan and removing any reason for the Rocks crew to follow him.

 

[Tai long]

We have the GV incident setup fully now.

1. We know that it only happened because Ginny told the pirates that the CDs and their Treasures were on the island. So this wasn’t part of anyone’s plan, it was a coincidence

2. The Rocks pirates came for the CD treasures which were the DF prizes and the Hachinosu treasure that had been stolen. This is revealed to be Shakky.

3. Roger came after Rocks because he was salty that Shakky had joined Rocks and Garp went there for Roger.

4. In chapter 1096, the Rocks pirates are saying “This is the final battle”. Why? Why is this coincidental Battle being called the “Final battle” by multiple Rocks pirates? It’s because the Rocks pirates were going to Disband after this battle since Rock’s plan for World Domination had failed

5. Rocks’ plan for world domination requires Harald to eat the Legendary Elbaf DF. Something we know Harald never did. Therefore The entire reason the Rocks crew was following Rocks, the world domination plan, had failed even before God valley started.

6. The next chapter is going to be the Harald and Rocks final confrontation where Harald maybe tries to Kill Rocks and Rocks makes his final plea for Harald to join him, and Harald refuses for the final time hence ending Rocks’ entire plan and removing any reason for the Rocks crew to follow him.

That will be anti climactic

 

[Shiroyru]

Oda fell off hard

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

That will be anti climactic

The set up for god valley isn’t as important as what actually happened on god valley when they started fighting

Oda fell off hard

He will redeem himself by showing the actual war

this is the time when WE MUST actually see the god valley battles. The set up is mundane so the execution of the actual battles has to deliver

 

[Cruxroux]

4. In chapter 1096, the Rocks pirates are saying “This is the final battle”. Why? Why is this coincidental Battle being called the “Final battle” by multiple Rocks pirates? It’s because the Rocks pirates were going to Disband after this battle since Rock’s plan for World Domination had failed

5. Rocks’ plan for world domination requires Harald to eat the Legendary Elbaf DF. Something we know Harald never did. Therefore The entire reason the Rocks crew was following Rocks, the world domination plan, had failed even before God valley started.

Not really sure of this.

 

[Senfret]

So Ginny killed Rocks xD

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Hachinosu treasure that had been stolen. This is revealed to be Shakky.

Where it says that.

Roger came after Rocks because he was salty that Shakky had joined Rocks and Garp went there for Roger.

You forgot that Roger said he came to finish what they couldn't a year ago. So we need to see the clash between then before God Valley.

In chapter 1096, the Rocks pirates are saying “This is the final battle”. Why? Why is this coincidental Battle being called the “Final battle” by multiple Rocks pirates? It’s because the Rocks pirates were going to Disband after this battle since Rock’s plan for World Domination had failed

It's because of what I said above

Rocks’ plan for world domination requires Harald to eat the Legendary Elbaf DF. Something we know Harald never did. Therefore The entire reason the Rocks crew was following Rocks, the world domination plan, had failed even before God valley started.

Nope. It requires the DF. Harold doesn't need to be the one who eats it.

 

[Reborn]

Nope

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Not really sure of this.

In chapter 1096, the Rocks pieates have already decide that God valley is their last fight, you have to ask yourself why?

Where it says that.

It's because of what I said above

What did you say above?

Nope. It requires the DF. Harold doesn't need to be the one who eats it.

Rocks has never said anyone can eat it. He says that Harald needs to eat it to unlock its potential.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I meant where it says Hachinosu's treasure was stolen and given as a prize at God Valley and that's why Rocks were there.

What did you say above?

Literally above dude just read the quotation before that.

Rocks has never said anyone can eat it. He says that Harald needs to eat it to unlock its potential.

Panel?

 

[Guymieux]

I meant where it says Hachinosu's treasure was stolen and given as a prize at God Valley and that's why Rocks were there.


Literally above dude just read the quotation before that.


Panel?

Are you slow?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Are you slow?

???????

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I meant where it says Hachinosu's treasure was stolen and given as a prize at God Valley and that's why Rocks were there.

Garp says the Rocks pirates are attacking because they want the “crown jewel of Hachinosu” back. This is Shakky

Literally above dude just read the quotation before that.

What you said above doesn’t explain anything. I’m asking why you think what you said explains anything?

The rocks pirates decide that this island they learned existed two days ago was their last battle and that their goal was to obtain a bunch of CD treasures including Shakky.

what have you said to explain the above statements that are made by the rocks pirates?

Panel?

Rocks: “it will ONLY show it’s true power if Harald eats it”

 

[MonochromeYoru]

What's the point?

 

[park_min young]

They came to save Shakky and to get the dfs, yes. There was a spy amongst the crew so my guess is that the government baited them with the 2 devil fruits that Xebec was talking about.

They weren’t gonna disband lmfao. According to their plans, getting the 2 fruits is a guarantee to beat the World Government. If they get those fruits in their hands then it’s a “decisive battle” since they would have basically beaten the World Government. At least, that’s my interpretation for now.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

What you said above doesn’t explain anything. I’m asking why you think what you said explains anything?

The rocks pirates decide that this island they leaneed existed two days ago was their last battle and that their goal was to obtain a bunch of CD treasures including Shakky.

what have you said to explain the above statements that are made by the rocks pirates?

They fought before and couldn't finish their fight or Roger pirates even lost maybe?

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They came to save Shakky and to get the dfs, yes. There was a spy amongst the crew so my guess is that the government baited them with the 2 devil fruits that Xebec was talking about.

They weren’t gonna disband lmfao. According to their plans, getting the 2 fruits is a guarantee to beat the World Government. If they get those fruits in their hands then it’s a “decisive battle” since they would have basically beaten the World Government. At least, that’s my interpretation for now.

If then, I can't understand much why Kuma's DF is so important. And how Harald could unleash the full potential of any DF.

Adult Momonosuke Dragon Form is as big as Kaido's. So a giant using the same DF would still be of the same size. And probably the DF power wouldn't change because of that.

Plus Harald's power was in match of Xebec's. Unless Xebec's already had a DF of his own, and unless that DF was the strong DF like Burgess have it, I don't see why it is so important for Harald to have such DF.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

They weren’t gonna disband lmfao. According to their plans, getting the 2 fruits is a guarantee to beat the World Government

One of The DFs that’s required was not on God valley, it was on Elbaf. It was on Elbaf AND ONLY HARALD was supposed to eat it… So when Harald refused to Eat the fruit, that was the end of Rocks’ plan

Also God valley only happened because Ginny, the 6 year old slave girl told the pirates that there was CD treasures there

we can assume that the Marine Spy in the Rocks crew is simply the one who told the Marines that Rocks was going to attack… That’s why Garp managed to arrive on the island basically at the same time as Rocks arrived

the Marine spy was only useful in telling the Marines about Rocks coming… The actual knowledge of God valley was entirely out of the hands of the WG or Marines, it only happened because Ginny told everyone about it

They fought before and couldn't finish their fight or Roger pirates even lost maybe?

If they fought, then it was about Shakky. IF THEY FOUGHT.

Thats the only thing the connects Roger and Rocks. Shakky. Rocks’ world domination pons have nothing to do with Roger, and Roger’s adventuring doesn’t seem to put him in any beef with Rocks… The only issue between them is that Shakky picked Hachinosu instead of joining the Roger crew

 

[Kiri]

Those two last points make me think: What will Loki choose to do?

Rocks's plan was laid to dust, so will he in fact join Blackbeard? and spur again the dust of that plan of world domination into action?

It's already been made clear the BB pirates are after "The World" they are picking up where Rocks left off, the best way to do this would be to have Rocks and Harald's sons combining their efforts.

Some people speculate Blackbeard would have to steal the DF from Loki, but what would the point be if BB is not an ancient giant, who would he even give it to?

So will he in fact join Blackbeard? maybe a parallel will be after Loki joins him, Luffy essentially holds Loki to his world on choosing a pirate crew to destroy, and he essentially activates that during the battle with Blackbeard himself. And therefore mirroring the shattering of Rocks dream due to Haralds actions, with Loki turning against Blackbeard in the end.

Maybe Loki does actually join Luffy's crew at the end of this arc, but Blackbeard defeats Luffy in a davy back fight for Loki.

We could have Blackbeard cancelling out Luffy's nika powers and beating him, Kuzan beating Loki, Shiryu beating Zoro due to his lack of efficiency in obs haki, Sanji losing to burgess. These wouldn't be actual full blown duels but under the ruleset of a Davy Back fight and the BB pirates taking advantage of their gimmicks in them, making clear the weaknesses the strawhats have to work on, for when they have their real fight with the blackbeard pirates.

I don't know when this would take place though, I just think it would be boring if Loki also refuses to join BB it would just be a repeat of rocks.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

f they fought, then it was about Shakky. IF THEY FOUGHT.

Thats the only thing the connects Roger and Rocks. Shakky. Rocks’ world domination pons have nothing to do with Roger, and Roger’s adventuring doesn’t seem to put him in any beef with Rocks… The only issue between them is that Shakky picked Hachinosu instead of joining the Roger crew

You just forgot Youth.

Why Roger fights Kuja pirates? Because of his youth. He is inconsequent and do what he feels like.

Why Roger fights Garp? Because of his youth. He could simply run like we saw Whitebeard doing in Oden's flashback.

Why Xebec and Harald clashed at Mariejoia? Because they are fight addictives?

The moment Roger and Xebec cross paths they would simply fight because that's what they do.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You just forgot Youth.

Why Roger fights Kuja pirates? Because of his youth. He is inconsequent and do what he feels like.

Why Roger fights Garp? Because of his youth. He could simply run like we saw Whitebeard doing in Oden's flashback.

Why Xebec and Harald clashed at Mariejoia? Because they are fight addictives?

The moment Roger and Xebec cross paths they would simply fight because that's what they do.

If your answer is that Roger is pissed about a meaningless fight he had in the past then fine. Believe what you want.