Break Week Torishima's recent criticism about One Piece
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What they should do is find 2/3 strong authors and have them compete
More time to secondary characters is the least thing we need.
Dragon is simple and effettive in this flashback. Wish scabbarfs had had the same treatment.
I do agree that while I like the storyline, the chapters often feel rushed. For example, this week, Dragon's panels were all like 1-2 panels max with most of his story being explained through writing. We don't see what he feels, we are explained what he feels like.
It's not something that a lot of manga reader talk about, but more often than not I'm feeling that Oda creates his chapters expecting that the anime fills the gaps with his panels, and that just isn't fair to his readers.
Reading One piece nowadays feels like reading the storyboard of the anime.
It's not something that a lot of manga reader talk about, but more often than not I'm feeling that Oda creates his chapters expecting that the anime fills the gaps with his panels, and that just isn't fair to his readers.
Reading One piece nowadays feels like reading the storyboard of the anime.
Dragon is simple and effettive in this flashback. Wish scabbarfs had had the same treatment.
OP was never in danger of cancellation.
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/aAg89lnKZQ/
That’s OP history of rankings in Jump.
Compare it to Naruto
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/QvL0BVl0NV/
and Bleach
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/Qv1nJDx0jK/
From looking through the other big series in history, I don’t think there’s actually any that beat OP in the early years ranking, even Dragon Ball and HXH which came from established authors.
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/aAg89lnKZQ/
That’s OP history of rankings in Jump.
Compare it to Naruto
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/QvL0BVl0NV/
and Bleach
https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/Qv1nJDx0jK/
From looking through the other big series in history, I don’t think there’s actually any that beat OP in the early years ranking, even Dragon Ball and HXH which came from established authors.
What?
How is that comparable. Dragon was given like 2 pages, he had to cram as much content as possible for a minor character.
Enough with this show not tell bullshit, you can perfectly do both, and dragon is handle good enough
Incredible, zoro intro is the lowest chapter.
How is that comparable. Dragon was given like 2 pages, he had to cram as much content as possible for a minor character.
Enough with this show not tell bullshit, you can perfectly do both, and dragon is handle good enough
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Incredible, zoro intro is the lowest chapter.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunters_Guild:_Red_Hood
Update: I have finished reading the ending and epilogue. Aye, it's dogshit. The ending went completely off the rails.
Well, now I guess I gotta check whether this is dogshit, peak or aight. 
I found new info from this volume where Torishima talks,thanks to the Youtuber Sommobuta who translated the interview. Here's what i found about many subjects.
About Naruto and One Piece:
-According to him,Kishimoto and Shueisha had to create more hype about Kishimoto's new works and about the Naruto's franchise,waiting for some time before some new products. Instead,they almost immediately began Boruto,and in this way the readers settled for this and didnt pretend anything more,and there wasnt so much hype about Kishimoto's new manga Samurai 8
-He says that Naruto was the only manga in these recent years that had the possibility to reach or surpass One Piece,but it failed because they didnt take enough risks. According to Torishima Sasuke should have died,because in this way the character of Naruto could have grown more
-One Piece has less success on foreign countries that Naruto because pirates are everywhere,while ninja are specifically of Japan,so its more exotic for foreign readers. He also says that Sailor Moon at the time had success on foreign countries because the japanese school uniforms were something new for foreign readers at the time
About Demon Slayers:
-The big success is having is because of the anime. He says that nowadays manga risks to become just storyboards for the real product that will be the anime
-He says that a big element of the succes of the manga is the fact that there are swordsmen. So if he was the editor of the manga,he would have told to the artist that she had to draw better action scenes. He says that he would have not allowed this manga to get published if she didnt improve the action of the scenes first
-Then he says that he would have not made so many seasons of the anime,and that if a product gets too popular is not good (I dont get why though)
About Jump in general:
-One Piece right now is the undisputed number 1,and when it will end,Weekly Shonen Jump's sales risk to go down by a lot,so the priority for them should be to find a worthy replacement in time,worthy to be the new number 1 manga
-The people who work on Jump should not sit on the laurels of success,but always challenge theirselves to make better products
-He says that if he was Oda's editor,or another current artist's editor,and the artist was risking to not deliver the pages in time,he would also drive to his home,to make pressure on him,to make him understand that their work is precious for Jump,so he wants to help to create the best product possible
About Dragon Ball:
-He says it should have ended sooner
About Naruto and One Piece:
-According to him,Kishimoto and Shueisha had to create more hype about Kishimoto's new works and about the Naruto's franchise,waiting for some time before some new products. Instead,they almost immediately began Boruto,and in this way the readers settled for this and didnt pretend anything more,and there wasnt so much hype about Kishimoto's new manga Samurai 8
-He says that Naruto was the only manga in these recent years that had the possibility to reach or surpass One Piece,but it failed because they didnt take enough risks. According to Torishima Sasuke should have died,because in this way the character of Naruto could have grown more
-One Piece has less success on foreign countries that Naruto because pirates are everywhere,while ninja are specifically of Japan,so its more exotic for foreign readers. He also says that Sailor Moon at the time had success on foreign countries because the japanese school uniforms were something new for foreign readers at the time
About Demon Slayers:
-The big success is having is because of the anime. He says that nowadays manga risks to become just storyboards for the real product that will be the anime
-He says that a big element of the succes of the manga is the fact that there are swordsmen. So if he was the editor of the manga,he would have told to the artist that she had to draw better action scenes. He says that he would have not allowed this manga to get published if she didnt improve the action of the scenes first
-Then he says that he would have not made so many seasons of the anime,and that if a product gets too popular is not good (I dont get why though)
About Jump in general:
-One Piece right now is the undisputed number 1,and when it will end,Weekly Shonen Jump's sales risk to go down by a lot,so the priority for them should be to find a worthy replacement in time,worthy to be the new number 1 manga
-The people who work on Jump should not sit on the laurels of success,but always challenge theirselves to make better products
-He says that if he was Oda's editor,or another current artist's editor,and the artist was risking to not deliver the pages in time,he would also drive to his home,to make pressure on him,to make him understand that their work is precious for Jump,so he wants to help to create the best product possible
About Dragon Ball:
-He says it should have ended sooner
To be honest. This is the exact type of "profesionnal" that I would keep myself away from if I was Oda. This is the type of person that considers Zoro or Vegeta as cool and charismatic character because they are edgy, badass and muscular.
This guy does not understand the story he edited or even One Piece. Dragon ball wasn't only fun about because of the fight but also because of his worldbuilding and we got plenty of that in Daima and the guy hated it. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on worstgen ranting everyday about how bad One Piece is getting. Saying that One Piece wouldn't work while concentrating only on Luffy when the manga when through an entire Saga by focusing exclusively on Luffy resulting in one of the most amazing arc .. is laughable.
Does Oda has power ? Yes.
Is One Piece getting bad because of that ? No lol
Does Manga needs more competition ? If they wanna kill their mangakas and their business model, go for it.. Capitalism am I right fella?
The criticizism of the panelling is understandable but it's not specifically a defect, One Piece's charm is also his chaotic paneling AND the readibility is STILL here despite what he is saying. Chaos doesn't mean the lack of order or clarity in this story. Oda just loves to put a lot of elements on screen, but they are all in specific and clear places.
This guy does not understand the story he edited or even One Piece. Dragon ball wasn't only fun about because of the fight but also because of his worldbuilding and we got plenty of that in Daima and the guy hated it. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on worstgen ranting everyday about how bad One Piece is getting. Saying that One Piece wouldn't work while concentrating only on Luffy when the manga when through an entire Saga by focusing exclusively on Luffy resulting in one of the most amazing arc .. is laughable.
Does Oda has power ? Yes.
Is One Piece getting bad because of that ? No lol
Does Manga needs more competition ? If they wanna kill their mangakas and their business model, go for it.. Capitalism am I right fella?
The criticizism of the panelling is understandable but it's not specifically a defect, One Piece's charm is also his chaotic paneling AND the readibility is STILL here despite what he is saying. Chaos doesn't mean the lack of order or clarity in this story. Oda just loves to put a lot of elements on screen, but they are all in specific and clear places.