Break Week Torishima's recent criticism about One Piece

[BoaHancocksHusband]

In all fairness that applies to almost any long running anime/manga that was written in the 90’s/early 2000’s

I had a conversation on WorstGen about this a few years ago actually. What popular shonen from that era would make it past the “axe” period if they were to release in the modern day (so the first 10-20 chapters)

I think Naruto is one of the only exceptions due to it picking up a lot faster than its peers (Land of Waves arc is only a few chapters in)

The rest of em though? Cooked

Yu Yu Hakusho

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It seems he is on fire recently

He isn’t wrong. I stopped watching 5 episodes in

 

[Shyneseru]

It seems he is on fire recently

Bro is on a generational run

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Bro is on a generational run

Torishima might be better than Araki now lmao

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

What they should do is find 2/3 strong authors and have them compete

I do agree that while I like the storyline, the chapters often feel rushed. For example, this week, Dragon's panels were all like 1-2 panels max with most of his story being explained through writing. We don't see what he feels, we are explained what he feels like.
It's not something that a lot of manga reader talk about, but more often than not I'm feeling that Oda creates his chapters expecting that the anime fills the gaps with his panels, and that just isn't fair to his readers.
Reading One piece nowadays feels like reading the storyboard of the anime.

More time to secondary characters is the least thing we need.
Dragon is simple and effettive in this flashback. Wish scabbarfs had had the same treatment.

 

[warsame zaylai]

Also as if goku is a good MC.

Goku is better MC then luffy

in fact goku is one of the best MC in shonen history lol

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I don’t know who Torishima is but he was far too nice. One Piss is irredeemable garbage.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yu Yu Hakusho

YYH is more of a pioneer than people give it credit tbh

 

[Shyneseru]

What they should do is find 2/3 strong authors and have them compete

More time to secondary characters is the least thing we need.
Dragon is simple and effettive in this flashback. Wish scabbarfs had had the same treatment.

Sorry but to me this is the same as someone writing the line " I'm sad " for a movie character instead of showing it. It's cheap, I expect better from someone like Oda, is that too much to ask ?

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

YYH is more of a pioneer than people give it credit tbh

Its such a fucking goated series man. The beginning is super strong too.

 

[Garp the Fist]

It literally almost got canceled irl irrc, it just starts way too slow. Nowadays mangas are way more fast paced and WSJ is more demanding

OP was never in danger of cancellation.

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/aAg89lnKZQ/

That’s OP history of rankings in Jump.

Compare it to Naruto

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/QvL0BVl0NV/

and Bleach

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/Qv1nJDx0jK/

From looking through the other big series in history, I don’t think there’s actually any that beat OP in the early years ranking, even Dragon Ball and HXH which came from established authors.

 

[Welkin]

Yu Yu Hakusho

The very beginning of YYH is fairly episodic but once Yusuke comes back to life the plot starts to pick up

Genkai’s tournament, the Four Kings, the Dark Tournament, Chapter Black, etc would definitely help it stick around

So yeah I’d agree with that

 

[ShinichiMugi]

OP was never in danger of cancellation.

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/aAg89lnKZQ/

That’s OP history of rankings in Jump.

Compare it to Naruto

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/QvL0BVl0NV/

and Bleach

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/Qv1nJDx0jK/

From looking through the other big series in history, I don’t think there’s actually any that beat OP in the early years ranking, even Dragon Ball and HXH which came from established authors.

Dragon Ball was the manga that risked to be canceled in the beginning,and only thanks to the the first Tenkaichi tournament improved its popularity

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

In a book that came out in Japan a few weeks ago,named "Botsu" which means "rejected works" in japanese,the former Toriyama's editor and former Shonen Jump director Torishima,talked about the current situation in the shonen manga landscape. He criticizied also other manga like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen,but the criticism he made towards One Piece are these ones:

-The paneling. He says that the way Oda draws panels is too chaotic,its difficult to understand whats happening,and not adapt for kid readers

-He actually said that One Piece is not a manga for kids. And this is positive for me,as i am not a kid,but he meant it as a criticism,as the Shonen Jump target should be kids

-He also talked about the time when he was director of Shonen Jump,in the late 90s,and he was the one who approved the release of One Piece. But he said that before the approval,he rejected the series 4 times. The reasons were: the chaotic paneling,the story was not convincing,and he also found the main character Luffy not charismatic enough

-About Luffy,he says that he is not a main character charismatic like Goku. He said that,during Dragon Ball,he and Toriyama made everything about Goku because he was a character that could carry the series alone,while Luffy is more like an "aggregator" character,but the manga would not work if it was focused mostly on him. I personally disagree with this bigly! But,to support his thesis he talks about the United States,where there is the superhero culture,where Goku is charismatic and seen as a superhero,while Luffy is less popular in the USA,because he is not charismatic enough to be seen as a superhero

-He also criticizes the modern Shonen Jump,and somehow blames the One Piece's success for this,because he says that there should be more competition in the top Shonen Jump manga,because this motivates every mangaka to do their best,and also makes the bosses understand when its time to close a manga. He makes the example of Hokuto No Ken,that at some point was losing its quality as a manga,and only when Dragon Ball became a big hit,Shonen Jump's bosses understood they had to close it. And brings also the example of Dr.Slump,that at some point had the competition of another manga,and this motivated him and Toriyama to give their best. He says that right now,One Piece is the undisputed king of Shonen Jump,and that gives Oda absolute power,and no editor even try to challenge him,and this is damaging not only One Piece as a manga,but Shonen Jump in general


What do you think about these opinions by Torishima? Like i said,there are some things where i disagree bigly! But i think other things he says are actually right! Oda surely needs more challenging editors,but the fact that One Piece is not a manga for kids is actually a good thing,because Shonen Jump nowadays is read also by more older men and even by more female readers,compared to Torishima's days

he is and always has been a moron

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Sorry but to me this is the same as someone writing the line " I'm sad " for a movie character instead of showing it. It's cheap, I expect better from someone like Oda, is that too much to ask ?

What?
How is that comparable. Dragon was given like 2 pages, he had to cram as much content as possible for a minor character.
Enough with this show not tell bullshit, you can perfectly do both, and dragon is handle good enough

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OP was never in danger of cancellation.

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/aAg89lnKZQ/

That’s OP history of rankings in Jump.

Compare it to Naruto

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/QvL0BVl0NV/

and Bleach

https://www.jajanken.net/en/sakuhins/Qv1nJDx0jK/

From looking through the other big series in history, I don’t think there’s actually any that beat OP in the early years ranking, even Dragon Ball and HXH which came from established authors.

Incredible, zoro intro is the lowest chapter.