Character Discussion Who's more dumb - Harald v. Oden
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Larald for me that clown was warned by his friend who told him raw truth which he refused listen to and decided to twerk for the wg
He got defeated in the end i don't know who kept midbaf safe after he was taken down but his retarded decision put whole country in danger. Midbaf could have been in similar state to wano even far worse
He got defeated in the end i don't know who kept midbaf safe after he was taken down but his retarded decision put whole country in danger. Midbaf could have been in similar state to wano even far worse
At least Harald is faced with a threat far stronger than he is, the World Government is a supreme entity
He didn’t really know the result of teaming up with Xebec, could’ve been completely catastrophic and led to the eradication of giants
Oden twerked, for 5 whole years, for no actual good reason
He believed the words of a lowlife thug like Orochi
But more importantly, twerked naked for 5 whole years every single fucking day 😂
He didn’t really know the result of teaming up with Xebec, could’ve been completely catastrophic and led to the eradication of giants
Oden twerked, for 5 whole years, for no actual good reason
He believed the words of a lowlife thug like Orochi
But more importantly, twerked naked for 5 whole years every single fucking day 😂
Harald was the key to Rocks' plan. With his strength, the DF intended for him, and Galera we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have won; it was only "too soon" because he never found a good alternative since Harald wouldn't join him. Frankly, he forfeited any point in being sad about the death of Rocks, especially because he knew about the Davy clan before it went down.
I'm certainly not an Oden fan but the series revolves around a certain type of protagonist who's vulnerable to underhanded tactics. But that's not even to say "they were too strong for him" is explicitly Oda's point with Harald. We're in the middle of him falling for some dumb shit, too.
Speaking of which people bring up the Oden twerking thing but uh... Harald offered himself as a slave. He would totally suck a dick if asked.
I'm certainly not an Oden fan but the series revolves around a certain type of protagonist who's vulnerable to underhanded tactics. But that's not even to say "they were too strong for him" is explicitly Oda's point with Harald. We're in the middle of him falling for some dumb shit, too.
Speaking of which people bring up the Oden twerking thing but uh... Harald offered himself as a slave. He would totally suck a dick if asked.
Among the two.
One of them was blackmailed and threatened to hurt civilians by the ruler of the country and while having monstrous pirate and a huge amount soldiers to worry about that if a fight broke work, it will be heavy toll on both sides, and also won't guarantee a victory. Pretty hard choices
The other one was obsessed with making alliance with WG who did the most sinful act exist in the world that also killed his friend.
If there's any country that knows WG aren't saint and have some SUS history, it will be Elbaf.
And a top brass like Harald, Jorul etc will 100% knows about that.
They both make same 1:1 stupid mistake, can't say which is worser on a measuring scale.
But Harald situation is more stupid and unnecessary due to the fact that he's a powerful KING, free from oppression, he started all this, nobody forced him.
Unlike Oden who have everything and every odds against him right off the bat when he came back to Wano.
One of them was blackmailed and threatened to hurt civilians by the ruler of the country and while having monstrous pirate and a huge amount soldiers to worry about that if a fight broke work, it will be heavy toll on both sides, and also won't guarantee a victory. Pretty hard choices
The other one was obsessed with making alliance with WG who did the most sinful act exist in the world that also killed his friend.
If there's any country that knows WG aren't saint and have some SUS history, it will be Elbaf.
And a top brass like Harald, Jorul etc will 100% knows about that.
They both make same 1:1 stupid mistake, can't say which is worser on a measuring scale.
But Harald situation is more stupid and unnecessary due to the fact that he's a powerful KING, free from oppression, he started all this, nobody forced him.
Unlike Oden who have everything and every odds against him right off the bat when he came back to Wano.
Tough decision.
I will go with Harald though.
At least Oden had hostages to worry about, Harold had infos from Xebec about the true nature of the WG.
He knows about Imu, his closest friend as he calls him was killed by the WG. There are no good reason for him to join the WG, and certainly not to the point to offer to become a slave.
He wants the giants to be peaceful? He's the king. He could do that without joining the WG. Their reputation ? Only a moron cares about this thing. Plenty of countries don't ally with the WG and we see how they are treated by the WG, and he knows that too. So again why does he want to join so badly?
I will go with Harald though.
At least Oden had hostages to worry about, Harold had infos from Xebec about the true nature of the WG.
He knows about Imu, his closest friend as he calls him was killed by the WG. There are no good reason for him to join the WG, and certainly not to the point to offer to become a slave.
He wants the giants to be peaceful? He's the king. He could do that without joining the WG. Their reputation ? Only a moron cares about this thing. Plenty of countries don't ally with the WG and we see how they are treated by the WG, and he knows that too. So again why does he want to join so badly?
He had Orochi in front of him. You decapitate the fucker, and hedge your bets on being able to take care of Kaido before the order is given to execute the hostages.
Oden could've also asked for a short truce, and planned a counteroffensive with his scabbards.
Either way, better have 100 dead on your conscience, that to plunge the entire country in a 20-year-long tyranny, having your wife die, your daughter grow up alone and resorting to prostituting herself, and your 8-year-old son sent to the future to deal with the scumbags you can't deal with.
Oden could've also asked for a short truce, and planned a counteroffensive with his scabbards.
Either way, better have 100 dead on your conscience, that to plunge the entire country in a 20-year-long tyranny, having your wife die, your daughter grow up alone and resorting to prostituting herself, and your 8-year-old son sent to the future to deal with the scumbags you can't deal with.
Oden, it's not even remotely close either due to the simple fact that Oden had the leverage in the situation.
You can't have the leverage in a situation and twerk in the streets, it doesn't even make sense. Oden could literally dictate the terms against Orochi + Kaidou and they would have to obey, they would simply be content with him not going to war against them because they were the weaker force.
The whole twerking butt naked in the streets was Oda doing his usual going above and beyond to get the point across but it simply didn't make sense in the Oden situation because he would have the upper hand against Kaidou's army, he damn near won even after letting Kaidou and his army grow stronger over 5 years. Btw this doesn't even factor in Oden had the Roger pirates willing to help him initially, they could clean up wano overnight guaranteed but Oden decided to put the entire country at risk for absolutely no reason. Read that again, every statement I made prior to my last sentence didn't even factor in Oden refusing the help of Roger pirates. Oden had no respect for his country or the hostages, and apparently himself either.
Harald on the other hand is facing the world itself. He is trying to integrate the Giants with the rest of humanity. And he only doubled down after Xebec's death because that is the only way he could even justify not supporting Xebec, flipping now would make that meaningless. He would be letting Xebec die for nothing. He has to make sure he's all in on it, no second guessing it.
You have to be smooth brained to say Harald is even in the same stratosphere as Oden.
You can't have the leverage in a situation and twerk in the streets, it doesn't even make sense. Oden could literally dictate the terms against Orochi + Kaidou and they would have to obey, they would simply be content with him not going to war against them because they were the weaker force.
The whole twerking butt naked in the streets was Oda doing his usual going above and beyond to get the point across but it simply didn't make sense in the Oden situation because he would have the upper hand against Kaidou's army, he damn near won even after letting Kaidou and his army grow stronger over 5 years. Btw this doesn't even factor in Oden had the Roger pirates willing to help him initially, they could clean up wano overnight guaranteed but Oden decided to put the entire country at risk for absolutely no reason. Read that again, every statement I made prior to my last sentence didn't even factor in Oden refusing the help of Roger pirates. Oden had no respect for his country or the hostages, and apparently himself either.
Harald on the other hand is facing the world itself. He is trying to integrate the Giants with the rest of humanity. And he only doubled down after Xebec's death because that is the only way he could even justify not supporting Xebec, flipping now would make that meaningless. He would be letting Xebec die for nothing. He has to make sure he's all in on it, no second guessing it.
You have to be smooth brained to say Harald is even in the same stratosphere as Oden.
Oden was naive fool who made mistake of trusting Orochi i don't think he was aware of kurozumi issue or how deep their grudge was until it was too late. Larald had a friend who told him exactly what his decision would lead which he choose to ignore the desire to be loyal wg slave was too overpowering i guess
Dude top tiers fight for several days at least. Wano's logistic and network need to be shit for oden to be able to pull that.
Why they will even care? What oden need to say for orochi and kaido to agree with him? The only thing he can do just abandon hostages and kill kaido and orochi.
Well and this is one of his "flaws" that kaido was talking about. Oden can't just abandon this hostages.
Why they will even care? What oden need to say for orochi and kaido to agree with him? The only thing he can do just abandon hostages and kill kaido and orochi.
Well and this is one of his "flaws" that kaido was talking about. Oden can't just abandon this hostages.
