Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1168 Spoilers Discussion

[Peppercat]

loki is sad, the world feels cold and dark to him without ide, so it begins to snow, because he is uranus, the ruler of the sky, lord of the weather.

I still believe we may take it literal as this so called Sun God.

What if we look at an Escanor situation here with Loki?
A actual Sun DF. And no, not just some small fireballs. Imagine the Fire Fruit on crack. Legit the force and fire of the sun. Enough to destroy the world.

 

[Staticshadic]

I wonder if we are going to get more flashbacks or what

 

[Paperchampion23]

Oda's editors are not even bothering anymore, just simping everything he does while getting drunk at Watsuki's parties.

Even japanese fans are starting to call the inconsistencies out

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986424013305024627

What inconsistencies? Sorry i don't have twitter

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I wonder if we are going to get more flashbacks or what

In general? Theres at least 3 that still need to happen, being Blackbeard, Dragon and Void Century. Im not expecting the first 2 to be 20 chapters or anything though

 

[Zoinks52]

If Loki is Uranus, then he is destined to replace IMU,



since IMU is currently "in charge" of the incoming flood.



So Loki might help seal the CDs/HKs/Gorosei/IMU.

And, lastly,



Loki might have the Weather Weather no Mi, which allows him to alter the weather in any way, including:
- summing lightning, like we've seen him do;
- summon clouds (which could tie into why the DF is important to the giants, since this could've allowed them to traverse up to the sky islands even before the Adam tree);
- chase clouds away, clearing the sky ---> making it sunny ---> why Loki thinks he is sun god Nika.

Damn I didn't even know that about Varuna, that's pretty fucking cool! The only thing I remembered of him until now was that he kidnapped Krishna's stepdad Nanda once and got punished by the latter for it.

I'm surprised he was never one of the parent gods in the Mahabharat ngl.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

What inconsistencies? Sorry i don't have twitter

"The editorial team isn't working properly anymore. The panel layout and illustrations convey nothing of the author's vision to the reader. I wonder if Oda-sensei is now so revered that no one can speak out anymore."

I must agree with this take somehow but add few things:
"I firmly believe that as readers age, their sensitivity, cognitive abilities, and physical strength decline, and they unconsciously lose the capacity to enjoy manga as much as they did in their youth. After all, almost 30 years have passed since the series began, so there's no way I can enjoy it the way I did when I was young 😂 I'm completely exhausted now."

The same counts to Oda too.
He is 50, will be 51 in 26 days...
He gets older and I can see why people wish more help from editor team.
You can clearly see that Oda sometimes struggle to draw things unlike in the past, just go back 6-7 years ago and now, it is a big difference in art style. And no one call him out for that.

This guy doing this job for 25years+ , reaching his 30 years.
No one except Detective Conan mangaka(who doesn´t have to draw hard stuff like Oda), did go so far.
That is why im against Oda being involved in more projects, we don´t need him to overwork himself for movies, projects or Netflix shows.

And he clearly needs a strong editor or assistan team.
2-3 people who can draw his stuff and add stuff, make good decision as team, maybe even call out Oda for few ideas.
And look how better it could end, as example Oda said he can´t draw fights anymore like in the past, well have a editor/assistant who is specialed in that and taking your artstyle(like Mashima assistant does right now).

With every new age, Oda performance will fall more and more, not because he is bad, but because of aging.
A reason why I wish more help for this dude, a good editor/assistant team helping him out.

I don´t wanna end like these mangas where we gonna take every 2 weeks a break.
Rather helping him out and having the basic 3 Chapter>Break pace...

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Harald is the biggest idiot of One Piece.

Literally

 

[Paperchampion23]

"The editorial team isn't working properly anymore. The panel layout and illustrations convey nothing of the author's vision to the reader. I wonder if Oda-sensei is now so revered that no one can speak out anymore."

I must agree with this take somehow but add few things:
"I firmly believe that as readers age, their sensitivity, cognitive abilities, and physical strength decline, and they unconsciously lose the capacity to enjoy manga as much as they did in their youth. After all, almost 30 years have passed since the series began, so there's no way I can enjoy it the way I did when I was young 😂 I'm completely exhausted now."

The same counts to Oda too.
He is 50, will be 51 in 26 days...
He gets older and I can see why people wish more help from editor team.
You can clearly see that Oda sometimes struggle to draw things unlike in the past, just go back 6-7 years ago and now, it is a big difference in art style. And no one call him out for that.

This guy doing this job for 25years+ , reaching his 30 years.
No one except Detective Conan mangaka(who doesn´t have to draw hard stuff like Oda), did go so far.
That is why im against Oda being involved in more projects, we don´t need him to overwork himself for movies, projects or Netflix shows.

And he clearly needs a strong editor or assistan team.
2-3 people who can draw his stuff and add stuff, make good decision as team, maybe even call out Oda for few ideas.
And look how better it could end, as example Oda said he can´t draw fights anymore like in the past, well have a editor/assistant who is specialed in that and taking your artstyle(like Mashima assistant does right now).

With every new age, Oda performance will fall more and more, not because he is bad, but because of aging.
A reason why I wish more help for this dude, a good editor/assistant team helping him out.

I don´t wanna end like these mangas where we gonna take every 2 weeks a break.
Rather helping him out and having the basic 3 Chapter>Break pace...

Hmm idk, there are still times when when that creativity shows but I dont think a good editor is going to change how Oda frames paneling or fights. They may request more action here or there but its not going to change his framing or anything.

What changes there is pacing or how the story is driven (i.e. arc length). And doesnt he have multiple assistants? Hes definitely not drawing this alone.

I think we just have to accept that the series' priorities are very different these days. He wants to tell this grand story and fighting often gets in the way of that (or rather, he seems to think its boring yet he draws so many interesting characters with swords lol). He only seems to genuinely care about Luffy's fights and villains and even there he started to slack on Kaido's G5 fight along with how Luffy fought Kizaru and Saturn in Egghead.

My only hope is its not consistent and Elbaf changes that with Knights, but we'll see...

Edit: And yeah some of that directly tied to his age and I can imagine the mindset he has on drawning things changes yearly, or his eyesight being poorer so he cant draw finer details. Though I dig the current artstyle, there series has never really changed dramatically in that way, it always feels authentically Oda.

 

[centurion]

Oda's editors are not even bothering anymore, just simping everything he does while getting drunk at Watsuki's parties.

Even japanese fans are starting to call the inconsistencies out

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986424013305024627

Facts, Loda's new editors are soulless yes-men who do nothing but nod to his every decision and suck his cock 24/7

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Facts, Loda's new editors are soulless yes-men who do nothing but nod to his every decision and suck his cock 24/7

didn't he "joke" about fighting his editor before lmao

 

[Paperchampion23]

Facts, Loda's new editors are soulless yes-men who do nothing but nod to his every decision and suck his cock 24/7

Its the fact that Oda has jump by the balls lol. Either side of this isnt good.

He's their cash cow and once the series bows out and Oda is done they'll be scrambling to either beg to use the IP to make souless sequels and spinoffs or die trying.

Jump has been ringing its death knell for years, and for the most part One Piece is the reason their digital subs and weekly magazines are bought.

Of course they dont disagree with
Oda on shit and give him his breaks. He can literally just stop and it probably kills Shueisha lmao

 

[vikas]

Harald's first day in the holy land was marked by world nobles openly bragging about wanting to make him their slave. How the fuck did this idiot not detect any red flags? What the fuck is Oda smoking?

In his mind good people need to be dumb.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

didn't he "joke" about fighting his editor before lmao

Shh, don't let that ruin their narrative of their ranting

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Shh, don't let that ruin their narrative of their ranting

I mean I'm kind of on their side, Oda's editors do tend to be yes men. But as Paperchampion said it's not completely the editors' faults

 

[Definitivo]

What is the record for the chapter with the fewest discussion pages?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Oda really revealed God Valley as a side quest

Honestly it was pretty brilliant to show Imu's greatest W and biggest L simultaneously. I just wish we weren't being commanded to give a shit about elbaf

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Its the fact that Oda has jump by the balls lol. Either side of this isnt good.

He's their cash cow and once the series bows out and Oda is done they'll be scrambling to either beg to use the IP to make souless sequels and spinoffs or die trying.

Jump has been ringing its death knell for years, and for the most part One Piece is the reason their digital subs and weekly magazines are bought.

Of course they dont disagree with
Oda on shit and give him his breaks. He can literally just stop and it probably kills Shueisha lmao

this is such a cope answer

it doesn't matter if oda is their cashcow or not. they should still at least do some actualy editing in the story

Also, you're missing the point of this all. This is a dragon ball editor saying this. DB was the biggest shit and still continues to be huge even after so many fucking years. Even with all that, during it's serialization, Toriyama had actual editors giving their input and doing editing. For good or bad, the editors still had some control over the story and weren't just yes men working for an egotistical author.

So this current situation is pretty much on Oda.

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

Its the fact that Oda has jump by the balls lol. Either side of this isnt good.

He's their cash cow and once the series bows out and Oda is done they'll be scrambling to either beg to use the IP to make souless sequels and spinoffs or die trying.

Jump has been ringing its death knell for years, and for the most part One Piece is the reason their digital subs and weekly magazines are bought.

Of course they dont disagree with
Oda on shit and give him his breaks. He can literally just stop and it probably kills Shueisha lmao

Jump, yes. Crunchyroll and the internet, not really. Grok analysis, should be pretty accurate as it is just numbers:

Spoiler: Long analysis

Updated Direct Comparison: One Piece vs. NarutoBuilding on the previous analysis, I've incorporated the requested additions. The new column, Avg. Annual Sales (Japan, per Pub. Year), calculates the average annual Oricon-tracked sales in Japan divided by the number of years since the series' debut (One Piece: 1997; Naruto: 1999). This provides a normalized view of sustained performance over the publication lifespan, accounting for One Piece's longer run. Data is based on cumulative Japanese circulation divided by years elapsed (e.g., for One Piece through 2025: ~430M / 29 years ≈ 14.8M/year). Peak-era averages remain as before for contrast.For Internet Traffic Comparison, I've drawn from Google Trends data (2004-2025 worldwide) and SimilarWeb estimates (2025). Naruto leads in historical search volume (most-searched anime ever, per Google), driven by Western dominance and post-series longevity via Boruto. One Piece edges recent trends (2nd most-searched in 2025, with spikes from Netflix's live-action and Egghead arc) and shows stronger official site traffic (one-piece.com: 1.5M monthly visits, up 25% YoY). Naruto-related sites (e.g., fan wikis) aggregate higher (2M+ combined), but official channels lag due to series completion. Overall, Naruto's online footprint is broader but less "live"; One Piece's is surging with ongoing content.
Metric
One Piece
Naruto
Notes

Total Circulation (2025)
578M
250M
One Piece #1 all-time; Naruto #4.
Japan Circulation
430M (74%)
153M (~61%)
One Piece dominates home market.
International Circulation
148M (26%)
97M (~39%)
Naruto stronger in US/Europe.
Annual Peak (Japan)
38M (2011)
~8M (2010)
One Piece 4-5x higher.
Avg. Annual Sales (Japan, per Pub. Year)
~14.8M (430M / 29 yrs.)
~8.1M (153M / 19 yrs.)
Normalizes for lifespan; One Piece sustains higher avg. output.
Years as #1 in Japan
15 (incl. 2025)
0
Naruto peaked at #2 (2008-2014).
Avg. Annual Sales (Peak Era)
25M (2010-2012)
7M (2010-2014)
Anime boosts similar, but One Piece's scale larger.
Volumes Published
113
72
One Piece still adding ~4 vols./yr.
Post-Peak Trend
Stable at 5-10M; rebounding
~1-2M re-prints
One Piece benefits from ongoing status.
Internet Traffic (Google Trends, 2004-2025)
2nd most-searched anime; recent spikes (e.g., +30% in 2025 from live-action)
#1 most-searched ever; sustained Western peaks
Naruto's historical lead (2004-2023 avg. score: 85/100 vs. One Piece's 70); One Piece closing gap in 2024-2025.
Website Traffic (SimilarWeb, 2025 Monthly Visits)
one-piece.com: ~1.5M (65% organic search)
Naruto sites (aggregated): ~2M (fan-driven)

In summary, One Piece's superior averages per publication year underscore its remarkable consistency over nearly three decades, outpacing Naruto's shorter but intense run. Internet metrics highlight Naruto's enduring global search dominance.

This does not factor in Boruto as a continuation of Naruto.

Here is a combo analysis. TL;DR is Naruto/Boruto>One Piece for mindshare and anime, OP>Naruto/Boruto for manga sales alone:
One Piece vs Naruto (+ Boruto) – 2025 Key Figures

| Metric | One Piece | Naruto + Boruto |
|---------------------------------------|--------------------|--------------------|
| Total Circulation (million copies) | 578 | 275 |
| Japan Circulation (million) | 430 | 171 |
| International Circulation (million) | 148 | 104 |
| Annual Peak Japan sales (million) | 38 (2011) | 8 (2010) |
| Avg. Annual Sales per Pub. Year (M) | 14.8 (29 years) | 6.8 (26 years) |
| Years ranked #1 in Japan | 15 | 0 |
| Avg. Annual Sales Peak Era (M) | 25 (2010-12) | 7 (2010-14) |
| Total Volumes | 113 | 95 (72 + 23) |
| Current Annual Japan sales (M) | 5–10 | 1.5–3 |
| Google Trends Avg. Score (2004-2025) | 70 | 82 |
| Website Traffic Monthly (million) | 1.5 | 2.3 |
| Crunchyroll Views 2025 Annual (M) | 130 | 170 |

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Odd should just pull a Gege and have someone else draw for him

 

[mrbut]

Reminder Yū Kondō's whipping Toriyama's butt and force him to change Cell's Saga villain ... Multiple Time

 

[RayanOO]

Reminder Yū Kondō's whipping Toriyama's butt and force him to change Cell's Saga villain ... Multiple Time

First form Cell >>>>>>> the others