MoistCr1TiKal Calls Mihawk A Fraud In Front Of 20 Million People

#42
They don't matter that much as again they clearly weren't meant to be serious fights. It's no different from Kuzan being held up by Jozu and sneak attacking him to win.
Doesn't mean Oda doesn't care about Kuzan and doesn't give him good feats.
Does your retarded ass even know what meticulous means lmfao? Or are you just trying to change the goalposts again?
 
#43
Does your retarded ass even know what meticulous means lmfao? Or are you just trying to change the goalposts again?
Oda does this with every top tier, I never got the argument of "But Mihawk clashed with Vista!". The same shit happens with people like Aramaki, Kaido, Kuzan, Akainu, Issho etc.
Any top tier can get "stalled" by a random Commander level dude when they're not trying. Doesn't really debunk my point that Oda is being careful with how he treats Mihawk.
 
#44
Oda does this with every top tier, I never got the argument of "But Mihawk clashed with Vista!". The same shit happens with people like Aramaki, Kaido, Kuzan, Akainu, Issho etc.
Any top tier can get "stalled" by a random Commander level dude when they're not trying. Doesn't really debunk my point that Oda is being careful with how he treats Mihawk.
Okay, so you´re clearly changing the goalpost from your original point, that this was an extremely well planned detail and Oda has a grand plan for Mihawk, that involves paying attention to details?
 
#45
Disappointing?

Mihawk’s role in the story is to be Zoro’s final fight for Zoro to achieve his goal

how has Mihawk already failed at this one stated purpose in the story?
Because for someone who’s supposed to be the final fight of someone as strong, cool and important as Zoro, Mihawk embarrasses himself every damn time he appears on screen.

His hype is through statements that he never reflects in his performances.

Ofc statements reign supreme and Mihawk is above Shanks and all but there's a reason why the casual fan never gives Mihawk respect. It's because they only focus on what they see on-screen instead of vague stuff from long ago. Only hardcore fans remember all of that.
Any top tier can get "stalled" by a random Commander level dude when they're not trying. Doesn't really debunk my point that Oda is being careful with how he treats Mihawk.
It's genuinely mind blowing how every point in any discussion goes above your head. Or you choose to willingly ignore it.
 
#46
To the point where an entire chunk of the community (not just Admiral fans, don't cope) call it "Film Red promotion" because of how random and stupid it wa
I called it out as film Red promotion before the wifi even :risisure:
No matter how you look at it, this is bad drawing, I can't believe Oda spent more than 10 minutes drawing these panels
Shanks arriving at Wano, then suddenly shifting course to deal with a mid tier like Bartolomeo makes 0 sense even to a shit writer like Oda
This is purely film Red marketing, don't buy into the evil Shanks theories





This is how Shanks is usually drawn for referance



I'd like to hear what hardcore Shanks enjoyers think of this @comrade @Red Admiral @mmd
 
#47
Because for someone who’s supposed to be the final fight of someone as strong, cool and important as Zoro, Mihawk embarrasses himself every damn time he appears on screen.

His hype is through statements that he never reflects in his performances.

Ofc statements reign supreme and Mihawk is above Shanks and all but there's a reason why the casual fan never gives Mihawk respect. It's because they only focus on what they see on-screen instead of vague stuff from long ago. Only hardcore fans remember all of that.


It's genuinely mind blowing how every point in any discussion goes above your head. Or you choose to willingly ignore it.
Is this true of Dragon?
 
#49
Is this true of Dragon?
Yes? Dragon has been extremely disappointing too. Not for the same reason though. he has the benefit of doubt because unlike Mihawk, he has done nothing. Mihawk has (tried) to do something and gotten embarrassed. Dragon doesn't have anti-feats, Mihawk does. Dragon is a victim of poor pacing and storytelling while Mihawk is a victim of Oda not giving a fuck about him.

Though it's pretty obvious Dragon is gonna be stronger than Mihawk if that's what you're asking
 
#50
I think Oda's trying to be cautious with Mihawk. He can't use just anyone as his hypetool in both ways, for example him just dunking on Vista would have been nice but not that great in the grand scheme of things
And something like him beating Issho would be great but has to be handled with care. It has to be written well and not just be a way of him having a hypetool
Not sure if this'll make sense
It's Oda's fault, The Entire Swordman "system" feels like it doesn't exist in the One Piece world

More weirdly is how it's even relevant

Do you see people talking about being the Strongest Sniper? Strongest Axeman? Strongest Spearman?

The title mainly existed because Oda wanted to Sync an Idea he had with One Piece, I wouldn't be surprised if Originally Zoro wasn't supposed to have it as a goal untill Oda noticed similarities between Him and Ryuma and decided to use him as a Ryuma Stand in(people who have more knowledge can correct me if I am wrong)

So it's of an Appendix to the story that Oda awkwardly doesn't know how to tie in to the main story

But said Appendix is too popular so it leads to this mismatch of expectations of the fans and what Oda focuses on
 
#51
Yes? Dragon has been extremely disappointing too. Not for the same reason though. he has the benefit of doubt because unlike Mihawk, he has done nothing. Mihawk has (tried) to do something and gotten embarrassed. Dragon doesn't have anti-feats, Mihawk does. Dragon is a victim of poor pacing and storytelling while Mihawk is a victim of Oda not giving a fuck about him.

Though it's pretty obvious Dragon is gonna be stronger than Mihawk if that's what you're asking
You think all this because Mihawk didn’t try and fodderize Vista?
 
#52
You think all this because Mihawk didn’t try and fodderize Vista?
Yes. Which other high top tier is being disrespected like that? You literally couldn’t differentiate Mihawk from the other warlords in the war. Actually you could probably differentiate him from Doflamingo… and come to the conclusion that Doflamingo performed much better.

Why do you think Doflamingo > Mihawk was such a common take back in 2010-2012?
 
#54
Yes. Which other high top tier is being disrespected like that? You literally couldn’t differentiate Mihawk from the other warlords in the war. Actually you could probably differentiate him from Doflamingo… and come to the conclusion that Doflamingo performed much better.

Why do you think Doflamingo > Mihawk was such a common take back in 2010-2012?
Bro luffy ragdolled Kaidou dragon form in act 1 though doing zero damage.
Vista just briefly clashed with Mihawk.
 
#58
I wouldn't be surprised if Originally Zoro wasn't supposed to have it as a goal untill Oda noticed similarities between Him and Ryuma and decided to use him as a Ryuma Stand in(people who have more knowledge can correct me if I am wrong)
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

what exactly would zoro’s goal be if not this?
Why do you think Doflamingo > Mihawk was such a common take back in 2010-2012?
back in 2010 we used to think Whitebeard’s bounty was around 1.5 billion

Oda is very intentional with hiding the scale of the verse

for example did you think Black blades mattered in 2010? It took until 2021 for Oda to outright have a character say Even a top tier like Oden failed to accomplish this. That was the first time it was ever put into comparison that Creating a black blades scales above a guy like Oden. And Oda introduced black blades in 1998 when Mihawk arrived.

thats a 23 year gap between Oda telling us this thing exists and then Oda explaining that this thing is a feat that matters

What fans think the scale of the verse is completely different from what Oda does

to you, the vista scene is a power scaling scene, to me it’s a character scene. Vista arrives after several scenes of Oda demonstrating just how many people are willing to jump in front of Luffy to keep Mihawk away. It starts with the Crossdresser fodder, then Buggy tries to stop Mihawk then Vista.

at that point Mihawk realizes that Luffy has the power to where an endless number of people will sacrifice themselves for him in the war. Then literally 5 pages later he tells Vista he’s not interested in finishing their fight

Mihawk even tries this again on Luffy and this time Daz Bones jumps in front of Luffy, and then Crocodile also jumps in front of Luffy and the scene repeats, Luffy manages to run away and he chooses not to continue fighting Crocodioe the same he chose not to continue fighting Vista since his goal is Luffy and Luffy has managed to escape.

if you want you can say Both the Vista and Crocodile scenes are power scaling scenes. I can say that they exist to prove a point to Mihawk about Luffy and by extension Shanks. That’s it. Both times Crocodile and vista aren’t defeated because Mihawk doesn’t care enough since Luffy has escaped and Oda doesn’t want vista and Crocodile to be defeated.

This is probably disappointing to you but it’s likely what Oda intended and what Oda intends has little to do with what fans think
 
#59
Okay, so you´re clearly changing the goalpost from your original point, that this was an extremely well planned detail and Oda has a grand plan for Mihawk, that involves paying attention to details?
I'm not, but it's not like you'll listen anyway since you clearly came into this conversation just to insult me like you usually do.
You think all this because Mihawk didn’t try and fodderize Vista?
Mihawk downplayers act like they have no critical thinking skills. It's weird
 
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