Powers & Abilities How Shanks Beat Loki

[park_min young]

Lemme preface by saying I have no issues with Loki being that dog. My problem is the narrative pushing twice that Luffy has the power to stop Loki like Shanks did. Gaban didn't give Luffy the key until he was able to guage Luffy's strength as being adequate for the task of stopping Loki like Shanks did. Gaban also didn't argue for Loki being free until Luffy said he will just beat up Loki if he goes on a rampage. The narrative puts a glass ceiling over Loki and makes me interpret everything he does within the confines of him under Luffy and Shanks.

Also, one of the reasons Harald wanted Loki to eat the fruit was to guarantee that he himself doesn't get it. And Harald is like Xebec in that they both lost their senses and didn't dodge a thing. And Loki still couldn't stop Harald until he came back to senses.

I also don't buy into any "damage lowers their speed, AP, COC" etc. since that rarely ever happens, and characters move faster and hit harder 99% of the time. It's usually reserved for very specific plot points like Zoro vs Hatchi.

We don’t really know what was going on in Gaban’s mind. It looks like he only eased up after specifically seeing Gear 5, almost as if he was just waiting for Luffy to show it the entire time. How could he possibly gauge Luffy’s full strength without actually witnessing it?

My interpretation of that scene is that Gaban simply felt at ease because he’s aware of the Joyboy lore and chose to place his faith in Joyboy’s reincarnation. Even then, Gaban still seemed unsure. He genuinely thought Elbaf might still get destroyed but said screw it, Joyboy is here.

 

[ZenZu]

The idea that Loki is a level above Xebec, Harald, Roger, Garp, and WB sounds utterly insane but that's a me problem. I was gonna say Luffy becoming stronger than that in one arc is stupid, but then I remembered Wano and the 5 back-to-back power ups.

Luffy is already a Yonkou with a god tier fruit man...he was skyplit lvl before he even awakened. ldk why Luffy being stronger than those guys is even that shocking. Kizaru really put his stocks in the mud but let's dial it back a couple notches.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Imo oda retconned loki's strength. He initially planned him to be a low top tier but changed his mind and made him a semi god tier only behind imu and joyboy.

 

[Levi]

Imo oda retconned loki's strength. He initially planned him to be a low top tier but changed his mind and made him a semi god tier only behind imu and joyboy.

After GV multiple top tiers not even damaging possessed Saturn and xbec getting low diff oda realized luffy needs all the help he can get to fight imu.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Rat drugged woki and cuffed him in sea stone cuffs

The Mr. 3 Memes if Shanks gave Loki a barrel of exploding Sake would be amazing

 

[sanjikun]

That second point doesn't make much sense as Loki's currently being portrayed as at least slightly superior to current Luffy if we lowball it

You guys are delulu. Oda literally gave him a bounty lower than Luffy's for a reason. Bounties are just hype tools and nothing else. If Oda wanted to hype Loki as God Tier, he'd give him a 10 bill bounty, not 2.6 bill.

His bounty is barely higher than Dorry and Broggy ffs, who know Imu wants as the "New Kings of Elbaph".

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

The idea that Loki is a level above Xebec, Harald, Roger, Garp, and WB sounds utterly insane but that's a me problem. I was gonna say Luffy becoming stronger than that in one arc is stupid, but then I remembered Wano and the 5 back-to-back power ups.

Luffy's Wano power-ups only make sense because he fought so much in the arc, especially Yonkou.

Haki gets the most gains while fighting people with strong Haki.

Since the EOS is going to be Laugh Tale then the Final War, we should see some ridiculous power creep start occurring. Historically, Top Tiers rarely fight each other. The reason the Straw Hats have gotten so fast is half of their Crew wants smoke with everyone (and Chopper/Nami/Usoppa are likewise portrayed as weak at times because they avoid combat rather than use it to train).

IMO, Elbaph/Loki are the real "okay we're in the endgame" moment, there should be a lot of fights going forward. Pluton War, Laugh Tale race/War, then the Final War once the Treasure is found.

This is also why I think Kidd and Law are going to keep getting stronger. Losing to Shanks/Teach should both supercharge their Haki and their desire to get stronger, and there are a ton of top tiers for them to fight going forward.

We will see ridiculous power creep through the rest of One Piece, IMO. Oda showcasing Rocks and Harald as so powerful, and then being like "ayo here's Loki with the Squirrel" means the gloves are really coming off.

 

[GeneralP123]

I doubt that. Loki was never portrayed superior, and the whole point of him being free is because Luffy can stop him. It was emphasized twice.

The flashback got everybody really hyped, but I haven't been operated on hype in like 10 years lol. Would it be nice for Loki to be stronger? Sure, but I got no real reason to believe that.

Loki seems like the type of guy that has raw power, but no real experience.

 

[sanjikun]

Loki seems like the type of guy that has raw power, but no real experience.

And hence why Oda is Haki wanking Shanks.

 

[GeneralP123]

And hence why Oda is Haki wanking Shanks.

Yeah, it blows my mind that many people think Loki has better haki mastery than Shanks.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Bounties are just hype tools and nothing else.

Powerscaling has rotted your mind and rid you of any possible critical thinking skills you could have. This isn't an insult, I don't have any reason to hate or even simply dislike you, but I'm just telling you what I believe.

 

[GeneralP123]

Shanks beat Loki by overpowering him in a 1v1.

It's as simple as that.

 

[sanjikun]

Powerscaling has rotted your mind and rid you of any possible critical thinking skills you could have. This isn't an insult, I don't have any reason to hate or even simply dislike you, but I'm just telling you what I believe.

Powerscaling has rotted my mind because bounties are hype tools? It's definitely not rotted your mind that you can't understand basic narrative concepts.

 

[GeneralP123]

Powerscaling has rotted my mind because bounties are hype tools? It's definitely not rotted your mind that you can't understand basic narrative concepts.

Bounties can definitely be misleading when it comes to powerscaling, but in Loki's case it perfectly shows his lack of experience.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Powerscaling has rotted my mind because bounties are hype tools? It's definitely not rotted your mind that you can't understand basic narrative concepts.

Which is why Zoro has a lower bounty than King
Why Sanji has a lower bounty than Queen
Katakuri has an equal bounty to Jack
Why Luffy, Law and Kidd all have the same bounty
Why Shanks has a lower bounty than Big Mom and Kaido

 

[Chiji_]

Shanks is just not the type of character Oda would have to come up with roundabout reasons as to why he won against a really strong character, Oda will just have him simply be stronger. He’ll display crazy haki as he’s always done, and he’ll out duel Loki. Shanks is significantly quicker with Joyboy haki comparisons and I do think it’s highly possible he has a mythical blade as well that’s all that would be necessary tbh. This is Oda writing about Shanks after all would we really expect anything less?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

You guys are delulu. Oda literally gave him a bounty lower than Luffy's for a reason. Bounties are just hype tools and nothing else. If Oda wanted to hype Loki as God Tier, he'd give him a 10 bill bounty, not 2.6 bill.

His bounty is barely higher than Dorry and Broggy ffs, who know Imu wants as the "New Kings of Elbaph".

I think Loki's bounty mainly came from fighting other Pirate Crew/attacking shitty organizations like Rocks.

While Loki most likely detests the Marines, Loki is well aware of how much Harald put into making peace with the Marines, including him ripping his horns out.

If Loki honored Harald's legacy, and didn't target the Marines and decent/good Kingdoms (especially ones Harald befriended), his bounty would be purely from exploits against Pirates, evil Kingdoms/groups, and fleeing Marines/fighting them to flee.

Luffy most likely has an updated Bounty from Egghead, and Loki will also receive a bounty after fighting the God's Knights.

I'm interested to see what their bounties will be.

 

[sanjikun]

Which is why Zoro has a lower bounty than King
Why Sanji has a lower bounty than Queen
Katakuri has an equal bounty to Jack
Why Luffy, Law and Kidd all have the same bounty
Why Shanks has a lower bounty than Big Mom and Kaido

SHs bounties are kept down on purpose to give you the illusion of them being an underdog. That's the whole point. Luffy's bounty has always been lower than it should have been.

The rest are all within a margin of error and pointless discussions. We're talking Tiers, not decimal points.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The rest are all within a margin of error and pointless discussions.

You're not really explaining how, though.

 

[TheD.]

and was now gassed out and bleeding in the next 3 panels.

Where? Loki legit zero diffed Harald why are we making up headcannon?