Character Discussion Sanji and Shanks are parallels ?

kekaro

kekaro

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#81
#81
Kai. Do said:
Well @centurion only posted a pic comparing the Sanji and Shanks parrallel without explicitly saying what he wants to infer. Of course that doesn't tell whether or not he's a Sanji fanboy or not and I'm not active on this forum enough to know either.

People of course are allowed to speak their minds on a thread if the author proceeds with an open ended question.

But is not one of the chief purposes of this thread being made is to create and draw Sanji and the Shanks parrallels, to which one's feats and portrayal are far better than the other, which obviously helps the one with lesser feats and portrayal?

What is the purpose of that then?

Whether @centurion is a Sanji fanboy or not is none of my business, it also doesn't matter if he is, it's not his fault. all I'm saying is it's Oda's fault for leaving Sanji with the scraps in terms of feats compared to Zoro, so people have to use other characters instead, Sanji fans or otherwise.
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But no one talked about feats or ower scaling beside you, what are you on about :shocked: And now you whining about zoro

Maybe you really are kaido wtf:josad:
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#83
#83
Kai. Do said:
Wings parallel
Gaban parrallel
Now it's Shanks parrallel
Not IS and WHEN, but always IF and COULD

It's a failure on Oda's writing to have Robin say that Sanji is one of Luffy's wings in Wano (who knows fuck all about power scaling), to then have Loda not commit and follow up on that promise in regards to Sanji's fighting performance in Wano visa v Zoro.

That caused Sanji fanboys to look for parallels wherever they could in any chapter, to the point it's almost become an addiction.

Then there is Loda's lack of commitment issue.

Until Egghead, Sanji was not allowed to fight anyone YC1 or stronger.

Punk Hazard - Zoro cuts logia Monet without Haki, Sanji gets his shin cracked against Vergo.

Dressrosa - While Zoro was allowed to tussle with an admiral as early as Dressrosa and sliced up Pica, Sanji almost died to Doffy and had to be saved by Law.

WCI- The first arc Sanji is allowed to shine in the post time skip Oda teases Sanji vs Katakuri in WCI, but only allowed to have Sanji dodge a jellybean, and then proceed to give the fight to Luffy instead. Future Sight went to Luffy too.

Wano - Zoro defeats fellow supernovas Killer and Apoo, tanked a two yonko's combined attack, then proceed to permanently scar Kaido with broken bones. Then proceeds to defeat lunarian King, whose true durability was revealed later in the Egghead arc. Toei of course also gassed up Zoro even more in the anime, making Zoro slice up island level lava dragons as if he was fighting Akainu the fleet admiral. Queen meanwhile, was still conscious in the anime when Sanji kicked him off Onigashima, it's even worse compared to the manga.

Egghead - Egghead is arguably the first time Oda and Toei gave Sanji some love by having Sanji deal with admiral Kizaru, when Zoro was the one getting seconds with Lucci after he already took the L to Luffy. Yet even here, Oda immediately punish Sanji's only W of blocking a laser beam from Kizaru by successfully killing Vegapunk while he was under Sanji's direct protection (some Sanji fanboys can disagree, but Luffy was sad of Vegapunk's death until Lilith told him it wasn't true). And don't you guys come and blame this on Goofy either. Luffy was holding down both Kizaru and Saturn at the same time, he only relaxed a little because he trusted Sanji to protect Vegapunk, but Sanji couldn't protect Vegapunk from Kizaru killing him with the light sword and then also making Sanji drop him later anyway. Vegapunk's fate was sealed at that point. Yet Loda still had the gall to have Sanji say to Kizaru that they should prepare their apology letters lmfao.

Elbaph - Probably one of the most disrespectful Sanji parrelels to date, have Sanji's own Roger Pirates parrallel acknowledging Zoro having CoC, while ignoring Sanji's request as to whether he has it too. Sanji fanboys like to dunk on Zoro for being stupid to not even know he had CoC, despite Toei retconning it in the anime in the Wano arc, while Oda also hinting it for Zoro as far back as Zoro's fight against Daz bones in Alabasta, against Monet in PH. Toei did retcon Zoro knowing how to use CoC in Onigashima when he knocked out the beast pirates before his fight against King, only for Oda to change it in Elbaph just for more Zoro glazing.

Oda's golden boy and child of destiny Shanks is one of the few characters that can match the Zoro glazing, so the Sanji fanboys are now associating Shanks to Sanji instead, when he was always Luffy's idol to surpass anyway. His fanboys dropped Gaban faster than Sanji drop his island specific girls.

As a Shanks and Luffy fan and a third party to the Zoro vs Sanji debate I find this hilarious.
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kekaro

kekaro

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#84
#84
Kai. Do said:
That's just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.

What's you take on the OP's thread then?
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It is not a "opinion" claiming "sanji fans" "giving him feats", thats delusions of yours no one claimed nor is the purpouse of the thread beside you

its a schizo rant, thats why i called a such, you understand now? :Gaban_Smug:

Bro litterarly saw a thread and wrote an essay whining about it instead reading the thread

Damaji haters are something else :josad:
 
Kai. Do

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kekaro said:
It is not a "opinion" claiming "sanji fans" "giving him feats", thats delusions of yours no one claimed nor is the purpouse of the thread beside you

its a schizo rant, thats why i called a such, you understand now? :Gaban_Smug:

Bro litterarly saw a thread and wrote an essay whining about it instead reading the thread

Damaji haters are something else :josad:
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Yeah fair enough, maybe I went overboard there. I apologise if I offended anyone. But the thread only had two pics, and I was killing some free time and boredom anyway.
 
Kai. Do

Kai. Do

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kekaro said:
Lol no you didnt offend anyone it just funny :sanmoji:
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But talking seriously though, Oda could have done more with Sanji's flashback in wci.

I don't necessarily believe Shanks flashback arc now in Elbaph hints Oda's doing the exact same thing with Sanji, because I think Oda's choice to show some of Shanks flashback now has more to do with Shank's parrallel with his twin brother Shamrock of the theme of nature vs nurture and self growth vs powers given by Imu.

It's not the same with Sanji's trajectory of growth and I've always found that Oda's has had difficultly writing and planning it in a satisfying way. Whether Oda has a similar growth arc for Sanji like he did for shanks remains to be seen, but I don't have a lot of confidence he could pull it off well enough, based on the missed opportunities and fumbles he's made in the past. For example, I didn't really like the switch to the raid suit and Germa powers of Sanji in Wano only for Oda to then abandon it later, it always felt like to me Oda didn't know what he wanted to do with regards with Sanji's upgrades.

Sanji getting CoC wouldn't be such a big issue for me if I still had the confidence in Oda to be able to pull it off in a satisfying way that felt natural, made sense and if Oda made Sanji earn and work for it.

It's also one of the reasons why I think the one piece community always latches Sanji onto so many characters as compared to Zoro because Oda didn't do a good job of establishing his parallel and potential with other characters.

For Luffy it has always been CoC and and former protagonists like Roger and joyboy. For Zoro it was always the no. 2 or a swordsman. For Sanji to me it always felt wishy washy. Scopper Gaban is actually one of the few parrallels for Sanji that make sense of both having a unique fighting style, axes vs kicks.

The shanks parrallels on the other hand feel like a real stretch to me.
 
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