One Piece Chapter 1171: RAGNIR

[Dragon777]

Yeah I forgot Loki chained himself up and beat himself up so bad that he was in bandages, sorry.

Why the beating?

But let's say: Loki was already wounded when he fought Shanks or maybe they used seastone.
That's just to say: we have to see.

 

[kekaro]

You answered it yourself, because nobody would be able to possess the easy regen counter anymore.

He said unstoppable not difficult to stop meaning overall power level

keep talking about 44 roga reaching his super secret prime at his second prostate exam

 

[GeneralP123]

Why the beating?

But let's say: Loki was already wounded when he fought Shanks or maybe they used seastone.
That's just to say: we have to see.

A lot of speculation to justify the simple fact that Shanks is the stronger fighter.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

TBF, intention is also important. Roger and WB have never wanted to destroy the world (which the Marines tell us in MF that WB could still do even in his sick, olden days), while here Harald was bent by evil and thus a potential threat to anything in his way.

That being said, I also do not think HK Harald is any lower than the old gens in terms of raw power.

My point is that Roger's LHM spoke of Harald as an unstoppable force that made him saw a vision of pure dread despite all he went through over decades alongside the pirate king. This is a veteran who fought stood with the strongest in battle and yet Harald made him feel it was actually over for the world.
WB being able to destroy the world has always about his fruit (I don't mean that as knock, it is part of him like immortality was part of HK Harald) , which I don't think age/health had that much effect in term of raw power, things like reflex and overall reactivity were what was highlighted to have decayed signficantly.

 

[GeneralP123]

He said unstoppable not difficult to stop meaning overall power level

keep talking about 44 roga reaching his super secret prime at his second prostate exam

As I said, you already answered your question.
If the regen counter fruit is in the hands of a regen user that also has ACOC, it's basically over.

You can't use any hax to bypass Harald's regen.

If you try using ACOC he'll just cancel it out with his own ACOC.

As a bonus, he'd also have improved stats due to the mythical zoan boost.

 

[Dragon777]

A lot of speculation to justify the simple fact that Shanks is the stronger fighter.

If Loki didn't have the feats and the narrative he has, I would say the same.

But when you see Loki doing as a toddler what Kaido did, when you see Loki matching base Harald and getting Ragnir, when you see Loki eating a super mythical fruit and killing HK Harald, you can't help but think there Is something behind.

 

[Zoinks52]

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Loki > HK Harald > DR xebec >> Base Harald/Xebec = Prime WB/Roger/Garp

 

[GeneralP123]

If Loki didn't have the feats and the narrative he has, I would say the same.

But when you see Loki doing as a toddler what Kaido did, when you see Loki matching base Harald and getting Ragnir, when you see Loki eating a super mythical fruit and killing HK Harald, you can't help but think there Is something behind.

Loki would get low diffed if he didn't have that fruit, even with the fruit, he still needed Harald to act like a sitting duck and drop his defense.

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Me when I'm about to get mid diffed by Shanks.

 

[moreha9685]

My point is that Roger's LHM spoke of Harald as an unstoppable force that made him saw a vision of pure dread despite all he went through. This is a veteran who fought stood with the strongest in battle and yet Harald made him feel it was actually over for a moment.
WB being able to destroy the world has always about his fruit (I don't mean that as knock, it is part of him like immortality was part of HK Harald) , which I don't think age/health had that much effect in term of raw power, things like reflex and overall reactivity were what was highlighted to have decayed signficantly.

Because the Roger Pirates never faced anyone hellbent on destroying anything. We've seen their skirmish with the WB pirates during the Wano flashback, where they're all having fun, punching and haki slicing away. Even during the "terrifying" GV, IMU only wanted to take care of Xebec, and afterward DR Xebec was targeting people one by one, he wasn't aiming for mindless destruction.

Harald is an Ancient Giant. If the dude starts sending haki slashes around islands populated by braindead normies, then it is something the Roger Pirates have never encountered before. Like, he was declaring aloud how he'd claim Elbaf's DF and the hammer and be unstoppable. It is a form of evil Gaban was sheltered from in their happy-go-lucky adventures to Laugh Tale and back--for some reason. Like, I don't understand Oda not having them face the rot of the WG, aside from IMU's short appearance on GV, but that's that. Even their continuous encounters with the HK served a very precise and rational objective: retrieving Shanks. DR Harald was wired differently, not because other old gens couldn't match his power, but because no other villain could match his unmotivated destruction.

 

[Dragon777]

Loki would get low diffed if he didn't have that fruit, even with the fruit, he still needed Harald to act like a sitting duck and drop his defense.

Loki trashed HK Harald with the fruit (someone > Prime WB), and was by Harald's statement was at least as strong as Harald (~ Xebec) in base.

 

[GeneralP123]

Loki trashed HK Harald with the fruit (someone > Prime WB), and was by Harald's statement was at least as strong as Harald (~ Xebec) in base.

What's next?
Loki can beat 10 Imus?

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Because the Roger Pirates never faced anyone hellbent on destroying anything. We've seen their skirmish with the WB pirates during the Wano flashback, where they're all having fun, punching and haki slicing away. Even during the "terrifying" GV, IMU only wanted to take care of Xebec, and afterward DR Xebec was targeting people one by one, he wasn't aiming for mindless destruction.

Harald is an Ancient Giant. If the dude starts sending haki slashes around islands populated by braindead normies, then it is something the Roger Pirates have never encountered before. It is a form of evil Gaban was sheltered from in their happy-go-lucky adventures to Laugh Tale and back--for some reason. Like, I don't understand Oda not having them face the rot of the WG, aside from IMU's short appearance on GV, but that's that.

Harald was not intending to destroy the world though? It's a vision Gaban saw because of the desperation he felt while fighting him.

 

[moreha9685]

Harald was not intending to destroy the world though? It's a vision Gaban saw because of the desperation he felt while fighting him.

Because we were explicitly told that the seal corrupts your mind, making you wish to do harmful, selfish things. That's what Gaban was sensing. He knows that an Ancient Giant can lay waste to entire islands. This was the first time he was actually faced with someone willing to do it.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Giga cope Harald said if he gotten the fruit he would be unstoppable and they must stop them.
Only the evil side has Regen so why would Harald say that? The idea this is just specifically powerful against Regen is cope by dodger fans

Oda already explained us how to counter the regen anyway, heck it's Gaban himself who did. You just have to hit hard enough with hacki until the regen stops working. I doubt it'll be anymore complicated that the power boost (and thus his hacki's strenght) granted by the fruit is what allowed Loki to outpace Harald's haki/regen.
When Loki told them to free him because they need his power to beat the Imu/HKs, it was in reference of the hacki explanation Gaban just gave to Luffy, he made no mention of having a specific ability to counter them.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Anybody still in denial of HK Harald >> old gen frauds?

I don't understand what are you waffling about ?
I don't think anyone said Old Generation > HK harald.

 

[kekaro]

Oda already explained us how to counter the regen anyway, heck it's Gaban himself who did. You just have to hit hard enough with hacki until the regen stops working. I doubt it'll be anymore complicated that the power boost (and thus his hacki's strenght) granted by the fruit is what allowed Loki to outpace Harald's haki/regen.
When Loki told them to free him because they need his power to beat the Imu/HKs, it was in reference of the hacki explanation Gaban just gave to Luffy, he made no mention of having a specific ability to counter them.

No you dont understand harald meant ehm actually its only because of regen no one can stop him, but ehm actually its because the only source of how to stop regen permanently and ehm why are you speculating alot of stuff to talk down god king and not going for the easy answers like me?????

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I don't understand what are you waffling about ?
I don't think anyone said Old Generation > HK harald.

I can show you two, one of them in this very thread

 

[Dragon777]

What's next?
Loki can beat 10 Imus?

That's the point.

Loki's feat and statements are simply incredible.

 

[Wh1p]

If Shanks ganged up on Loki with his crew I will laugh my ass off.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Official translation makes it worse for loki downplayers

@Nidai_Kitetsu @GeneralP123 @ConquistadoR

I am not a Loki downplayer. I believe Loki is the new Kaido. Thats high praise. Only a donkey would believe Loki>Prime Roger + Prime Garp.

And who cares what Gabum says? Bro's only role in this arc is to hype Loki. When Shanks says something like "nobody can beat Loki", I will take it seriously