Speculations Did Shanks beat Loki in a clean 1 vs 1?

[Dragon777]

Yeah we do. It was 12 years ago. Flashback ended 14 years ago.

Realistically Shanks' bounty was probably anywhere from 500 mill to 800 mill here.

But we don't know when he got the bounty.
Real pirates grow their bounty much slower than the mugis for obvious reasons, since things happen in years or decades and not in weeks.

If anything, his bounty could have adjusted because he left the HK, which is the only big event we know of aside from the legendary duels.

Even if it was lower, I don't think it was by much. Anyway, Shanks was already an AdvCoC user.

 

[Fujishiro]

Actually, we know they didn´t disturb his peace, since he described it was a thrill to be chased by them

Things got serious again when Cross guild was started, and actual top level Marines would have taken an interest in stopping the organization. When he realized this, he became okay with Buggy being in charge of the organization

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

My issue is that there's no genuine reason for Shanks's growth to have outpaced Loki by a significant margin (since Shanks would go from clearly below Loki to above him).
14 years ago, Loki was actually the newbie who just ate his fruit, got a new weapon and was only about to start sailing. In comparison Shanks been sailing the seas since he was born, got mentored by the PK, was having "legendary duels" with Mihawk and was a prodigy who been using aCOC moves for a decade.
Not claiming Shanks was in his prime in his twenties, but I see no good reason why he would have grew more than the guy who would qualify as an actual rookie, even more when I factor that he lost his arm. He might have gotten used to it, but this should at least have slowed/halted his growth for a while otheriwise it renders his sacrifice for Luffy pointless.

Now if Oda decided to give Shanks some massive haki boost that far surpasses any growth Loki would have had just because... lol

 

[park_min young]

Why is Sanjikun still bounty scaling Shanks? Imagine WB going crazy for Cracker and Jack’s legendary duels

 

[Levi]

My issue is that there's no genuine reason for Shanks's growth to have outpaced Loki by a significant margin (since Shanks would go from clearly below Loki to above him).
14 years ago, Loki was actually the newbie who just ate his fruit, got a new weapon and was only about to start sailing. In comparison Shanks been sailing the seas since he was born, got mentored by the PK, was having "legendary duels" with Mihawk and was a prodigy who been using aCOC moves for a decade.
Not claiming Shanks was in his prime in his twenties, but I see no good reason why he would have grew more than the guy who would qualify as an actual rookie, even more when I factor that he lost his arm. He might have gotten used to it, but this should at least have slowed/halted his growth for a while otheriwise it renders his sacrifice for Luffy pointless.

Now if Oda decided to give Shanks some massive haki boost that far surpasses any growth Loki would have had just because... lol

Ppl try to use luffy growth as the standard when he’s the exception.

 

[soupongo]

You´re not following, lol.

Mihawk relocated from the vice admirals, but at that point, he was okay with partnering up with Crocodile to build operation utopia and put bounties on Marines. He had no issue with that, and even described being chased by the marines as thrilling. Only after the marines take notice of the organization and start giving everyone huge bounties is Mihawk okay with Buggy being the face of CG. Pretty logically because he doesn´t want to personally fight the top marines. We also know he was scared of Buggy trying to get in the race for the OP out of the idea of fighting other emperors. Because at that point, he was stuck under Buggy, or else would be chased by the top marines himself...

 

[ZenZu]

My issue is that there's no genuine reason for Shanks's growth to have outpaced Loki by a significant margin (since Shanks would go from clearly below Loki to above him).
14 years ago, Loki was actually the newbie who just ate his fruit, got a new weapon and was only about to start sailing. In comparison Shanks been sailing the seas since he was born, got mentored by the PK, was having "legendary duels" with Mihawk and was a prodigy who been using aCOC moves for a decade.
Not claiming Shanks was in his prime in his twenties, but I see no good reason why he would have grew more than the guy who would qualify as an actual rookie, even more when I factor that he lost his arm. He might have gotten used to it, but this should at least have slowed/halted his growth for a while otheriwise it renders his sacrifice for Luffy pointless.

Now if Oda decided to give Shanks some massive haki boost that far surpasses any growth Loki would have had just because... lol

People like @Nidai_Kitetsu are just very lucky Oda chose to hide what happened between Loki and Shanks. They wouldn't have anything to argue for another minute.

@sanjikun is a different case though, he genuinely needs meds since he thinks Loki vs Doflamingo is a good fight.

 

[Fn Lucci]

No, he didn't. Could he? I don't think so. But if he could it'd take him fighting to complete and total victory, life or death style, and I don't think he and Loki could ever fall out badly enough to make that necessary.

 

[Juanpiz]

People like @Nidai_Kitetsu are just very lucky Oda chose to hide what happened between Loki and Shanks. They wouldn't have anything to argue for another minute.

@sanjikun is a different case though, he genuinely needs meds since he thinks Loki vs Doflamingo is a good fight.

Baby Loki?

 

[park_min young]

My issue is that there's no genuine reason for Shanks's growth to have outpaced Loki by a significant margin (since Shanks would go from clearly below Loki to above him).
14 years ago, Loki was actually the newbie who just ate his fruit, got a new weapon and was only about to start sailing. In comparison Shanks been sailing the seas since he was born, got mentored by the PK, was having "legendary duels" with Mihawk and was a prodigy who been using aCOC moves for a decade.
Not claiming Shanks was in his prime in his twenties, but I see no good reason why he would have grew more than the guy who would qualify as an actual rookie, even more when I factor that he lost his arm. He might have gotten used to it, but this should at least have slowed/halted his growth for a while otheriwise it renders his sacrifice for Luffy pointless.

Now if Oda decided to give Shanks some massive haki boost that far surpasses any growth Loki would have had just because... lol

I have a theory that Shanks tricked Loki in a Davy Back, similar to how Fenrir was tricked by the gods. Fenrir tore off Tyr’s arm, and Shanks clearly draws inspiration from Tyr. So this whole setup with Loki and Shanks is already fishy, arguably the OP versions of Fenrir and Tyr.

Loki was probably emulating Xebec with the Davy Back idea, and Shanks outplayed him by turning it into a strength test involving seastone. Maybe Shanks promised Loki that he will fight with him or that he’ll show him Nika or shit.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

People like @Nidai_Kitetsu are just very lucky Oda chose to hide what happened between Loki and Shanks. They wouldn't have anything to argue for another minute.

You are betting against Shanks. There is no light at the end of this tunnel bro. You know that Oda used to cosplay as Shanks?

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

@sanjikun is a different case though, he genuinely needs meds since he thinks Loki vs Doflamingo is a good fight.

IIRC he also thinks Yamato is only vet-YC3 level, I think he just hates newly introduced COC users that are stronger than Doffy tbh
Which is why he does everything to downplay Harald and Loki (Xebec was in Kaido's top so he can't shit on him too much)

 

[ZenZu]

You are betting against Shanks. There is no light at the end of this tunnel bro. You know that Oda used to cosplay as Shanks?

Oda already used Shanks to hype Loki in this flashback lol. The signs are already there.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

IIRC he also thinks Yamato is only vet-YC3 level, I think he just hates newly introduced COC users that are stronger than Doffy tbh

That's definitely the case, iirc he actually has Doffy (or rather a hypothetical post jail gains Doffy) above Loki as he thinks Doffy will for some reason get a 3B bounty while Loki will still have 2.6B.
Ignoring how obviously retarded it is to think Doffy will get 3B (not even the most hardcore Doffy glazers like Veku or Conquistador seem to think that), it's even dumber to think that bounty scaling is reliable and to use that to put Doffy who has no ACoC, no ancient giant genes, no mythical zoan, and no mythical hammer above Loki who does have all that and likely even more given that he's probably developed some crazy CoO being blindfolded 98% of his life

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Oda already used Shanks to hype Loki in this flashback lol. The signs are already there.

If it was another author, Shanks would have paralyzed Harald with a COC burst (with a panel of Imu twerking) to allow Loki to finish him.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You are betting against Shanks. There is no light at the end of this tunnel bro. You know that Oda used to cosplay as Shanks?

So Mihawk isn't above Shanks because "Oda used to cosplay as Shanks"?
Or do you think that there is indeed a limit to his Shanks dickriding?

 

[ZenZu]

If it was another author, Shanks would have paralyzed Harald with a COC burst (with a panel of Imu twerking) to allow Loki to finish him.

Good point. If Oda didn't want Loki to look head and shoulders above everyone else he would have just went with this route. This would make it more ambiguous, like Loki could still be the strongest since no one had killed a HK before (including Roger), Loki would still be the first. But atleast it would be debatable between Loki and guys like Roger. Rn Oda straight up made Harald walk through Shanks and Gaban only to get manhandled by Loki. There is no real debate rn.

 

[park_min young]

Didn‘t Sanjikun hate the Shanks dickriding and called him a lowly gary stu? Sanjikun had Shanks as the weakest yonko, shameless mofo thinks that the weakest yonko is above an amped Harald lmfaoo

This is the first time we’re seeing signs that Oda might actually be above that, and it’s the most believable time to do it too. And somehow Sanjikun is now rooting for Shanks glaze 😂😂

 

[ZenZu]

Didn‘t Sanjikun hate the Shanks dickriding and called him a lowly gary stu? Sanjikun had Shanks as the weakest yonko, shameless mofo thinks that the weakest yonko is above an amped Harald lmfaoo

This is the first time we’re seeing signs that Oda might actually be above that, and it’s the most believable time to do it too. And somehow Sanjikun is now rooting for Shanks glaze 😂😂

He's a Yonkou tiprider since Luffy became one. It's all linked to Luffy and eventually Doflamingo.

He's trying to bring Shanks as low as he can so he can prop up the rest of the Yonkou.

 

[Dragon777]

You are betting against Shanks. There is no light at the end of this tunnel bro. You know that Oda used to cosplay as Shanks?

Just to say: aren't you yourself betting against Shanks in the biggest, most important manner since you suggest Shanks has never been stronger than his long lasting rival Mihawk, who righfully sit at the WSS thorne while Shanks was merely relegated to the 2nd place?