Speculations Did Shanks beat Loki in a clean 1 vs 1?

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Oda already used Shanks to hype Loki in this flashback lol. The signs are already there.

My issue is that there's no genuine reason for Shanks's growth to have outpaced Loki by a significant margin (since Shanks would go from clearly below Loki to above him).
14 years ago, Loki was actually the newbie who just ate his fruit, got a new weapon and was only about to start sailing. In comparison Shanks been sailing the seas since he was born, got mentored by the PK, was having "legendary duels" with Mihawk and was a prodigy who been using aCOC moves for a decade.
Not claiming Shanks was in his prime in his twenties, but I see no good reason why he would have grew more than the guy who would qualify as an actual rookie, even more when I factor that he lost his arm. He might have gotten used to it, but this should at least have slowed/halted his growth for a while otheriwise it renders his sacrifice for Luffy pointless.

Now if Oda decided to give Shanks some massive haki boost that far surpasses any growth Loki would have had just because... lol

I have wasted far too much time arguing against Loki, so I will stop after this. For the record, I really like Loki and rate him very highly. IMO he is the new Kaido, i.e., on the way to becoming the WSC.

Regarding Shanks, Oda is simply showing that he was “mentally nerfed” during the Harald fight. Thats something you Pizaru fans should understand. Shanks is a softie who genuinely wanted to save Harald. He explicitly says this during the fight: “I want to save him, Gaban.” Shanks felt a strong bond with Harald due to the HK connection and it affected him deeply. He even grabbed Harald’s arm and later expressed regret over his own birth after that battle. If that were not clear enough, Oda spoonfed the point with the line: “Why did Harald have to die? He was too pure-hearted to deserve that.” Gaban being the leader of the duo also doesnt help as he isnt strong enough.

By the time Shanks encountered Loki again (8 years after the castle battle IIRC), Shanks was dealing with someone who was actively rampaging across the seas. There was no mercy, no inner conflict for Shanks this time. On top, humans likely grow in strength much faster than giants, so it might be a completely different Shanks after eight years while Loki kinda stayed the same.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I have wasted far too much time arguing against Loki, so I will stop after this. For the record, I really like Loki and rate him very highly. IMO he is the new Kaido, i.e., on the way to becoming the WSC.

Regarding Shanks, Oda is simply showing that he was “mentally nerfed” during the Harald fight. Thats something you Pizaru fans should understand. Shanks is a softie who genuinely wanted to save Harald. He explicitly says this during the fight: “I want to save him, Gaban.” Shanks felt a strong bond with Harald due to the HK connection and it affected him deeply. He even grabbed Harald’s arm and later expressed regret over his own birth after that battle. If that were not clear enough, Oda spoonfed the point with the line: “Why did Harald have to die? He was too pure-hearted to deserve that.” Gaban being the leader of the duo also doesnt help as he isnt strong enough.

By the time Shanks encountered Loki again (8 years after the castle battle IIRC), Shanks was dealing with someone who was actively rampaging across the seas. There was no mercy, no inner conflict for Shanks this time. On top, humans likely grow in strength much faster than giants, so it might be a completely different Shanks after eight years while Loki kinda stayed the same.

I'd imagine Loki would be even more mentally nerfed considering he had to put down his own father and was even shown crying his eyes out when he did the killing blow

 

[sanjikun]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did. The giants there knew exactly what he did, and they still told him he was WAYYY over his head.

Base Rocks was strong enough to sneak into Imu's room and kill an Admiral.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did. The giants there knew exactly what he did, and they still told him he was WAYYY over his head.

Base Rocks was strong enough to sneak into Imu's room and kill an Admiral.

Dude wtf are waffling about??
Loki solos Rocks Rocks Whitebeard and Herald in 1v4

 

[soupongo]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did. The giants there knew exactly what he did, and they still told him he was WAYYY over his head.

Base Rocks was strong enough to sneak into Imu's room and kill an Admiral.

Yeah, but Rocks would have died if it weren´t for plot armor? They obviously don´t want Loki to end up in the same situation...

And Harald literally went to Mariejois to kneel and beg to work for the government. You don´t think Loki can do that?

 

[ZenZu]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did. The giants there knew exactly what he did, and they still told him he was WAYYY over his head.

Base Rocks was strong enough to sneak into Imu's room and kill an Admiral.

No way the goat @JoNdule has returned
@Franosuke @Veku

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

It will be terrible writing if he did but Oda throws away logic when it comes to his golden boy so I wouldn’t be surprised if he did

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did.

Is this a strength feat now?

Is Loki weaker than the revs too now because the Revs managed to reach Mariejois and he didn’t?

 

[Franosuke]

No way the goat @JoNdule has returned
@Franosuke @Veku

It wouldn’t be endgame without Doodlebob present

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Loki wasn't even strong enough to make it to Mariejois, something that Base Rocks and Harald did. The giants there knew exactly what he did, and they still told him he was WAYYY over his head.

Base Rocks was strong enough to sneak into Imu's room and kill an Admiral.

Lol is Fisher Tiger > Loki too then?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Y’all, there’s a reason why we’re only seeing Loki vs Shanks after this arc is finished.

Obviously Shanks 1v1s him. That’s what we were told and there’s no reason to doubt it.

 

[park_min young]

Read back this to me.

Maybe 2-3 paragraphs are too much for your brain to parse. But surely 1 sentence is not.

Leave the reading comprehension to us. Clearly, even a kid’s comic book is beyond your capabilities. Gaban outright said their efforts were futile and that the regen was too much, then proceeded to glaze Loki’s power.

We already know why the regeneration was too much. Gaban literally gave us the rationale last chapter, and we already saw it with Garp/Roger vs Xebec. Gaban said that he had never fought an aCoC regeneration user, right as Shanks was wondering how they could even end it. That directly implies that Harald was mitigating their aCoC attacks with his own haki. If Shanks and Gaban were actually effective, Harald would have been laid out like Garling was after Xebec beat him down.

They could not even stop Harald for two minutes. Once Harald started using haki, they were no more effective than the fodder guards. Loki singlehandedly solved everyone’s problem. All they had to do was wait for him to save the day.

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Y’all, there’s a reason why we’re only seeing Loki vs Shanks after this arc is finished.

Obviously Shanks 1v1s him. That’s what we were told and there’s no reason to doubt it.

Shanks tricked him in a Davy Back, similar to how Tyr tricked Fenrir into getting chained.

 

[Dragon777]

Buggy Shanks and quite frankly every top tier knows Buggy is trash
Only reason why they are not invading is fear of Mihawk

The random people don't matter they are weak anyways.

Only those who know Buggy personally know. The rest are in the dark.

And even then, Oda made exceptions. Like with the Marine, at least in general.

For 99.99% of the world, Buggy is some Shanks 2.0: ex PK crew members, rival/friend of Shanks, etc.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Fujishiro is coping hard

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Honestly oda retcons lots of things but shanks being this god tier character feels bizzare.

--WB not shanks was portrayed as WSM despite shanks being a well known pirate.

--Kaido saw shanks' power and fought him and still considered himself superior.

--Shanks use same fighting style as Roger.

--Mihawk is consistently shown to be stronger than him.

--Oda portrayed WB and shanks' haki on same level during sky split.

--Shanks never once visiting beehive despite BB being there most of the times. If he is this powerful, he should easily clap them any time.

--BM highlighting WB over shanks.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah. Loki had an army of powerful ancient giant warriors under him. It was a crew v crew fight and shanks beat Loki

 

[uyuu]

Maybe Mihawk but Shanks no chance

If Shanks can't beat him, Mihawk can't. Even when i see Shanks the destiny's child beyonce as stronger than Mihawk, they're still comparable so any one of them have no chance.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Why are people even bothering with sanji kun? He is the same guy who thinks this was not King Kong gun but Kong gun

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Honestly oda retcons lots of things but shanks being this god tier character feels bizzare.

--WB not shanks was portrayed as WSM despite shanks being a well known pirate.

--Kaido saw shanks' power and fought him and still considered himself superior.

--Shanks use same fighting style as Roger.

--Mihawk is consistently shown to be stronger than him.

--Oda portrayed WB and shanks' haki on same level during sky split.

--Shanks never once visiting beehive despite BB being there most of the times. If he is this powerful, he should easily clap them any time.

--BM highlighting WB over shanks.

You have to be a genuine retard to think Shanks haki is oldbeard level because of a clash where he was clearly not going all out either

And everything you said can be debunked using context except Mihawk being stronger which is true

 

[park_min young]

Why are people even bothering with sanji kun? He is the same guy who thinks this was not King Kong gun but Kong gun

All this for Doffy wank. Pretty embarrassing ngl, almost ZKK levels of copium. Man thinks that Doffy vs Loki is extreme-diff 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Loki would just sneeze with aCoC and that fodder will drop dead.