Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

If your point is that Nazi somehow invented something new, it's wrong. The Nazi became notable because of their organization, not the nature of their systems of oppression or the rest of their parameters. A extremely solid organization allowed Nazis to extend the reach and power of their measure, but they didn't invent the light. They simply perpetuated much more strongly and "efficiently" what was existing prior.

I heard something very true today: Fascism is colonialism turned inward.

This is the imperial boomerang that I talked about. Nazism is the result of capitalism eating itself on overdrive.. as any imperial weapon used outward are doomed to be turned inward due to the nature of the system. But the basis, esthetic or oppressions of the Nazi system were not new or unique. Only the "final fascist product" was.

Nazism was (and still is) a direct result of colonial practices used in America, first, then in the Africa and the global south.

Nazism is uniquely racist, their gas chambers, experiments and more were exponentially more racist than anything we had seen at the time

U.S racism which manifested in stuff like chattel racism was also uniquely horrific compared to other forms of race based racism

Evolution is inherently creating new stuff, that’s the meaning of the word.

and please spare us of your capitalism rants. Solis and I are talking about racism

 

[Logiko]

Nazism is uniquely racist

No it's not, colonialism had similar systems of discriminations.

their gas chambers

Which is simply a form of industrial killing. The difference with previous genocides is not Nazism, it's industrialization and the systematization of the massacre. In other word, the organization.

more were exponentially more racist than anything we had seen at the time

You do know that black people were enslaved based on a racial system of domination, right?

The dehumanization of jews was not only not new (since it predate the very beginning of racism) but has been used in history toward black people and native since the first conquest of America and Africa.

What differ is the scale and the organization in which the dehumanization was instrumentalized and developped as a system.

U.S racism which manifested in stuff like chattel racism was also uniquely horrific compared to other forms of race based racism

Unique as it was a new form of organized dehumanization method based on colonial and capitalist systemization yes, not in the nature of the dehumanization or more exactly, not in the essence of the racial hierarchy.

In fact the racial hierarchy that existed back in the plantations day and prior was transfered in the fascists systems. (and still can be seen today in fascist societies and imperial metropole)

Evolution is inherently creating new stuff, that’s the meaning of the word.

and please spare us of your capitalism rants. Solis and I are talking about racism

You cannot ignore the role of capitalism in Nazism or slavery or the rise of racism as a system of domination. It would be like talking about Star Wars without talking about the Empire.

Racism is not capitalism but capitalism forged the way racism is today and you will get my rant on capitalism until this is clear for everyone.

Evolution does not create new stuff, it reorganize and mutates old stuff.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://newrepublic.com/post/205478/trump-davos-speech
Can’t tell if he’s on too much Sudafed or not enough…either way, his streak of being the biggest loser baby in any room he enters remains unbroken, cannot imagine being so pathetic that I would support this dope fiend

 

[Roo]

No it's not, colonialism had similar systems of discriminations.


Which is simply a form of industrial killing. The difference with previous genocides is not Nazism, it's industrialization and the systematization of the massacre. In other word, the organization.


You do know that black people were enslaved based on a racial system of domination, right?

The dehumanization of jews was not only not new (since it predate the very beginning of racism) but has been used in history toward black people and native since the first conquest of America and Africa.

What differ is the scale and the organization in which the dehumanization was instrumentalized and developped as a system.


Unique as it was a new form of organized dehumanization method based on colonial and capitalist systemization yes, not in the nature of the dehumanization or more exactly, not in the essence of the racial hierarchy.

In fact the racial hierarchy that existed back in the plantations day and prior was transfered in the fascists systems. (and still can be seen today in fascist societies and imperial metropole)


You cannot ignore the role of capitalism in Nazism or slavery or the rise of racism as a system of domination. It would be like talking about Star Wars without talking about the Empire.

Racism is not capitalism but capitalism forged the way racism is today and you will get my rant on capitalism until this is clear for everyone.

Evolution does not create new stuff, it reorganize and mutates old stuff.

If you cannot handle a conversation without having to insert your niche view every single time then you’re not worth engaging with

and not to appeal to authority but the Holocaust and Chattel slavery are considered very unique manifestations of racism. If you claim to love research and date so much you’d know that

 

[Logiko]

If you cannot handle a conversation without having to insert your niche view every single time then you’re not worth engaging with

I'm inserting my views as much as you mate. It just happen that my view rubs you the wrong way and I'm sorry for that but like I explained, I'm trying to be more respectfull, not less factual. Don't make a fuss about my views and answer on my contradiction instead.

and not to appeal to authority but the Holocaust and Chattel slavery are considered very unique manifestations of racism. If you claim to love research and date so much you’d know that

I'm sorry but "a unique manifestation of racism" is not really enough to make a point. A different if you want, as it was organization through different structures, place and scale of organization and systemization.. That I can agree on.

As for the racism in itself, the dehumanization faced by jews under Nazism was not new. In fact it was so "not new" that the dehumanization of jew was what biological racism (the core) was build on back in the colonial days.

> For that I send you toward the concept of the "purity of blood" in Spain between 1492 and 1500 and what happened to jews at the time.

Scholars consider that the purity of blood (which was a moral "taint") became a discrimination based on the visual and physical attribute that became biological racism and then racism as we know it today.

The hierarchization of society with jew/black people/others... at the bottom and different degrees of cast and “acceptabilities” toward the top, has been existing for centuries.

 

[Roo]

I'm inserting my views as much as you mate. It just happen that my view rubs you the wrong way and I'm sorry for that but like I explained, I'm trying to be more respectfull, not less factual. Don't make a fuss about my views and answer on my contradiction instead.

Because I don’t care to engage with it? Why the fuck would I want to be forced to go through your 100th anti capitalist rants?

and it’s not exclusively to you. I also complained to middy about his mysticism. I don’t care to engage in irrelevant topics

I'm sorry but "a unique manifestation of racism" is not really enough to make a point. A different if you want, as it was organization through different structures, place and scale of organization and systemization.. That I can agree on.

As for the racism in itself, the dehumanization faced by jews under Nazism was not new. In fact it was so "not new" that the dehumanization of jew was what biological racism (the core) was build on back in the colonial days.

> For that I send you toward the concept of the "purity of blood" in Spain between 1492 and 1500 and what happened to jews at the time.

Scholars consider that the purity of blood (which was a moral "taint") became a discrimination based on the visual and physical attribute that became biological racism and then racism as we know it today.

The hierarchization of society with jew/black people/others... at the bottom and different degrees of cast and “acceptabilities” toward the top, has been existing for centuries.

Find me the post where I said Americans and Nazis invented racism

 

[Logiko]

Because I don’t care to engage with it? Why the fuck would I want to be forced to go through your 100th anti capitalist rants?

You are not forced to do anything. If you want, you can ignore my rants

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and it’s not exclusively to you. I also complained to middy about his mysticism. I don’t care to engage in irrelevant topics

That's the problem, it's not irrelevant.

If you talk about racism without capitalism, I need to speak about capitalism to contextualize the structure of the current domination

If you talk about lgbtqi+ oppression without talking about patriarchy, I need to speak about patriarchy to talk about the "" "" "" ""

Same if you talk about transphobia without talking about ableism
Same if you talk about ageism without talking about patriarchy
Same if you talk about imperialism without talking about capitalism
Same if you talk about ableism without talking about eugenics

Etc etc.

We live in an interconnected network of system, some positive, some oppressive and dominative. All system have important intersections that are all different depending on contextual elements.

So I'm sorry to talk about capitalism all the time, but at the moment, all the problems are linked with capitalism.

Find me the post where I said Americans and Nazis invented racism

Why ? I didn't questioned you on that. Not all contextual informations are contradictions.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Great look for the party covering up a global child rape ring: attempting to kidnap kids outside school.

I heard he had graphite in his backpack.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1qj4mkt

Rapey ass hand position from whatever greased up clown is behind him, too. The fucking "Prowling Priest" hand position, ugh.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Great look for the party covering up a global child rape ring: attempting to kidnap kids outside school.

I heard he had graphite in his backpack.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1qj4mkt

Rapey ass hand position from whatever greased up clown is behind him, too. The fucking "Prowling Priest" hand position, ugh.

This shit cannot be reformed…no idea how these monsters justify detaining kids as somehow keeping this country safe, especially when they’re so blatantly the real villains

 

[Logiko]

Great look for the party covering up a global child rape ring: attempting to kidnap kids outside school.

I heard he had graphite in his backpack.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1qj4mkt

Rapey ass hand position from whatever greased up clown is behind him, too. The fucking "Prowling Priest" hand position, ugh.

Kids are tools for the right and the far right.

Tools to be used in political argument to push their reactionary rethorics, tools to justify their racism, their transphobia, their disdain for women's right.

But when they see racialized children in cages, with cops and Ice goons or separated from their parents because of their racist politics, or children raped by their ring leaders... Silence.

They care only about themselves and their close family at best.

 

[Mathias]

Trump is such a hoe. Just seize Greenland somehow. Do it bitch !

You can't let us down, my wife will leave me for an European chad. Or worse, a French man with aviator sunglasses

 

[Logiko]

French man with aviator sunglasses

 

[Reborn]

The Greenland war

Just think about it.

Just think.



The orange clown is gonna be pissed against Europe Uniting against his childish whims.
Which is literally the first thing we should have wanted in January 2017 the day of his inauguration.


With that said, war isn't happening because European countries except France have US fighter jets that can't move without US approval....

He backed down. Perhaps got humbled. No Tarriffs. No military use.


After making bold claims this is what he said - "You can say yes, and we will be very appreciative. Or you can say no, and we will remember."

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

And American racism is a continuation of already existing racist practice?

Yes

And you are correct, racism and Nazism are extremely stupid

Nazism is the result of capitalism eating itself on overdrive

you lost me here
It's not always all about capitalism logiko

Which is simply a form of industrial killing. The difference with previous genocides is not Nazism, it's industrialization and the systematization of the massacre. In other word, the organization.

👏

https://newrepublic.com/post/205478/trump-davos-speech
Can’t tell if he’s on too much Sudafed or not enough…either way, his streak of being the biggest loser baby in any room he enters remains unbroken, cannot imagine being so pathetic that I would support this dope fiend

“Certain places in Europe are not even recognizable frankly, anymore. They’re not recognizable. And we can argue about it, but there’s no argument,”

Trump then of course got to Greenland, accidentally mixing it up with Iceland for nearly the entire time he spoke about it.

Damn sure HE isn't recognizing certain places in Europe 🤣🤣😭

“There are windmills all over Europe. There are windmills all over the place. And they are losers,”

Legendary

 

[Mathias]

He backed down. Perhaps got humbled. No Tarriffs. No military use.


After making bold claims this is what he said - "You can say yes, and we will be very appreciative. Or you can say no, and we will remember."

Clowns still think he is a mastermind 4D chess player but he is the biggest whimsical jackass that ever sat his ass in Air Force One.

Whatever he does he is very bad at it. I think it's great that we don't face someone with a brain or else we would have all been screwed over since January 20th 2017. A better adversary literally couldn't be dreamed better.

 

[Logiko]

you lost me here
It's not always all about capitalism logiko

Yeah sorry, I simplified:

Not only capitalism*
It's also white supremacy in the case of fascism, and ableism, and patriarchy. In fact, that's why fascism is the worst kind of oppressive system, it reunites under one big roof (pushed by the capitalist structure) all the worst of all the domination systems known to date.

> This is why no one is safe under fascism, class after class, hierarchical step after another, fascist will dehumanize everyone, from the point of view of a fascist > From the most estrange to the most familiar: Racialized people -> Political ennemies-> LGBTQI+ -> Handicaped -> Marginalized and unemployed -> Women -> Other Citizens -> until Implosion or an exterior intervention.

This hierarchy (that can change) is also based on the value of a person under a capitalist and patriarchal system. This is why currently, racialized people & migrants, political enemies and lgbtqi+ are in danger in the US for ex. Marginalized and unemployed are following (some want them dead) then women, handicapped etc..

Fascism is the super evil megazord combination of all of these plagues, capitalism just happens to guide the robot.

 

[Reborn]

Clowns still think he is a mastermind 4D chess player but he is the biggest whimsical jackass that ever sat his ass in Air Force One.

Whatever he does he is very bad at it. I think it's great that we don't face someone with a brain or else we would have all been screwed over since January 20th 2017. A better adversary literally couldn't be dreamed better.

He lost the plot.

He tried to pressure BRICS - but it end up uniting them against USA "false" hegemony.

He tried against Iran - Middle East showed no support

He tried to take Greenland - Entire Western Alliance stood against USA.

He walked out of international organisations - Organisations heads called America out.

I have never seen any American leader being so pathetic to make America a global embarassment in span of just more than a year.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

A legend among men

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Yeah, it took months of Roku heartily promoting white supremacy for him to (temporarily?) get the hammer, but Al made sure to instantly punish anyone who dared to call the ...... despite his own admission…WorstGen moderation continues living down to their famous reputation

Actually I said it to the Brazilian who's been banned for a month and changed his location to 'from the jungle'. God knows what he's doing to the natives there.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I think the wildest part of the last ten years, at least to me, is that Donnie really and truly could have been a great president if he had a single iota of decency/emotional or mental intelligence…like, he could have come in and actually helped American citizens make more money and enjoy more freedoms, but he just doesn’t have that little spark that makes someone a real person instead of a bloated and hateful sack of shit. He is so small, so insecure, and so narrow-minded that he can’t even see where he went wrong, why the entire world hates him, why his legacy is synonymous with evil and incompetence; he is fully incapable of introspection and he will go down as history’s greatest villain. Furthermore, he is so wildly toxic that everyone associated with him will be shunned for the rest of their lives, that’s how destructive he is to anyone in his orbit. Fuck, I still cannot believe how hard and quickly this country has fallen into disrepair because of him, he is genuinely worse than Hitler at this point

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Reposting because Al decided once again that “Pedophiles deserve the worst kind of punishment” is somehow controversial, so I can’t say exactly what I did the first time, but those of y’all with a brain and moral compass know where I’m going with this

 

[sanjikun]

I think the wildest part of the last ten years, at least to me, is that Donnie really and truly could have been a great president if he had a single iota of decency/emotional or mental intelligence…like, he could have come in and actually helped American citizens make more money and enjoy more freedoms, but he just doesn’t have that little spark that makes someone a good person. He is so small, so insecure, and so narrow-minded that he can’t even see where he went wrong, why the entire world hates him, why his legacy is synonymous with evil and incompetence; he is fully incapable of introspection and he will go down as history’s greatest villain. Furthermore, he is so wildly toxic that everyone associated with him will be shunned for the rest of their lives, that’s how destructive he is to anyone in his orbit. Fuck, I still cannot believe how hard and quickly this country has fallen into disrepair because of him, he is genuinely worse than Hitler at this point

Post automatically merged: Thursday at 2:12 AM

Al decided once again that “Pedophiles deserve the worst kind of punishment” is somehow controversial, so I can’t say exactly what I did the first time, but those of y’all with a brain and moral compass know where I’m going with this

Trump might go away, but Trumpism won't because it arose for a reason in the first place. America is fighting a culture war, and Trump was simply the proxy.