Powers & Abilities Big Mom and Zoro Attack Speed Comparison

#41
He grabbed Kizaru while he was off guard. Same Kizaru easily blocked Snakeman's Gatling and vanished so fast into the skies that Luffy, despite FS, couldn't react.
I'll give points to his Defense than speed in this case.
He was only in thr blocking stance the entire time rather than having a CQC moment and blocking like Kaidou vs Luffy.

He was in his hands crossed defense state the entire time.
 
#43
It could be anything frankly. Most likely caught in AoE, he ain't tanking shit from harald.
Giving them bandages is oda weird behaviour, but scar is a completely different story.
Tell me how many guys have got scars from fights that and that they were unimportant.
Scars are a huge thing in OP and you think Oda would have Gaban get scarred from AoE attacks?
Point is Harald was top tier fighter and just like Shanks and Gaban could tag him, he could easily hit them too (not as much since they dont have regen).
 
#44
Tell me how many guys have got scars from fights that and that they were unimportant.
Scars are a huge thing in OP and you think Oda would have Gaban get scarred from AoE attacks?
Point is Harald was top tier fighter and just like Shanks and Gaban could tag him, he could easily hit them too (not as much since they dont have regen).
This is common sense. Don't know why some are denying this.
 
#45
Tell me how many guys have got scars from fights that and that they were unimportant.
Scars are a huge thing in OP and you think Oda would have Gaban get scarred from AoE attacks?
Point is Harald was top tier fighter and just like Shanks and Gaban could tag him, he could easily hit them too (not as much since they dont have regen).
Point is Harald is huge and Gaban and Shanks are small and very nimble compared to Harald. FS on top of that.
Huge AoE becomes the only way to actually hitting them, and Hitting them with slashes is also considered AoE given the panel I post.

But I refuse to believe they can survive a Direct hit from Harald even after using Haki to defend. His raw strength is already off the charts and so is his Haki, Amplified with HK seal on top of that. No amount of haki is going to help you from a direct hit from Harald, unless they are using CoC barrier like Xebec.
 
#46
Point is Harald is huge and Gaban and Shanks are small and very nimble compared to Harald. FS on top of that.
Huge AoE becomes the only way to actually hitting them, and Hitting them with slashes is also considered AoE given the panel I post.

But I refuse to believe they can survive a Direct hit from Harald even after using Haki to defend. His raw strength is already off the charts and so is his Haki, Amplified with HK seal on top of that. No amount of haki is going to help you from a direct hit from Harald, unless they are using CoC barrier like Xebec.
That is a condition that you have placed, in OP the size thing doesnt matter if the author doesnt want it which is clearly the case here. Rocks aint that much bigger than Shanks and Gaban yet Harald was fighting him on panel too.
 

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#48
That is a condition that you have placed, in OP the size thing doesnt matter if the author doesnt want it which is clearly the case here. Rocks aint that much bigger than Shanks and Gaban yet Harald was fighting him on panel too.
Nope, Oda has not drawn a Giant ever landing a flush blow on another nimble top tier for a reason. Usually what happens are clashes or moments where they overpower opponents. Harald just bullied Shanks and Gaban, especially considering he is unkillable to them so he kept regenerating, so their blows never counted, eventually he was going to wear them down, which he did.

They're not having a Lucci vs Luffy, or Kaidou vs Luffy type of back and forth.

Given the size of Harald's weapon the scar on Gaban cannot be a result of a direct attack landing clean to begin with. You realize Harald's weapon is many times bigger than Gaban's entire body, he wouldn't just be scarred on his face his whole body would be scarred or in tatters if a blow got to him.
 
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#49
Lucci in Enies Lobby had a technique to slim his body down to become more agile. More mass obviously will affect speed. Which doesn't mean selective moves can't still utilize high speed.

Now that being said, Big Mom even for her size is pretty slow. Hybrid Kaido's overall speed, despite size greater than Big Mom's, was considerably better.
 

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#50
Lucci in Enies Lobby had a technique to slim his body down to become more agile. More mass obviously will affect speed. Which doesn't mean selective moves can't still utilize high speed.

Now that being said, Big Mom even for her size is pretty slow. Hybrid Kaido's overall speed, despite size greater than Big Mom's, was considerably better.
The Gaban scar argument doesn't even make sense. Gaban has a relatively small scar on the side of his face, in what world would Harald's attack only cover that much ground? Harald's pinky finger is bigger than Gaban's entire body, one swing of his sword won't only affect a small piece of Gaban's face if he landed clean. It's obvious he was overpowering them and also landing through general AOE.
 
#51
The Gaban scar argument doesn't even make sense. Gaban has a relatively small scar on the side of his face, in what world is Harald's attack only cover that much ground? Harald's pinky finger is bigger than Gaban's entire body, one swing of his sword won't only affect a small piece of Gaban's face if he landed clean. It's obvious he was overpowering them and also landing through general AOE.
Ah, yeah, didn't even notice that one was in question, yeah, such a precise scar inflicted by Harald doesn't make sense.
 
#58
Nope it's a blitz. The clash was a part of the fight. After the clash they're still in the middle of fighting.

You think after the clash they stopped fighting and had a staring contest?

In that fight between her and Marco, Big Mom tried to chokehold Marco and Marco was too slow to react to her chokehold therefore it's a blitz.
So in every clash if the winner of the clash touches the loser afterward, the loser got blitzed? Lmao

Fucking hell.

Call it whatever you want, it is not the same as a character just standing there and another blitzing them. Losing a clash can make you disoriented, physically at prone position, etc. A lot of factors. Not comparable to traditional blitz
 
#59
Marco still failed to react to Big Mom chokehold. He got blitzed.
Immediate post-clash. Thus not a traditional blitz. Unless you can show a scan of Oda or Marco confirming the impact and aftermath clash did absolutely nothing to hinder his reaction

What you or I think it "looked" like doesn't matter. It's a specific example where a 3rd factor (clash) is included and is being compared to a traditional blitz that has no factors other than reaction speed vs attack speed. Different situations

To make it a valid comparison you have to prove without a shred of doubt that the 3rd factor was of 0 significance and irrelevant

If you can't, then moot comparison. Note that I'm not saying he was for sure affected by clash. I'm saying it is POSSIBLE. And so it's a flawed and invalid comparison unless we have proof.

ABC of any debate. You can't compare two significantly different situations and pretend they aren't
 
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