Future Events Zoro won't fight Killingham

Zoro's matchup in Elbaf

  • Shamrock

  • Killingham

  • Sommers

  • Dorry and Brogy

  • Another HK


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#63
Correct, I dont think Killingham will end up fighting Zoro. He seems like Usopp's opponent.
I doubt Shamrock will come back tho. I would like it so he fights Zoro but it is unlikely to happen.
Scholars thought either Dorry or Brogy is more than enough for Zoro...

As usual, wherever they rate Zoro, they are always wrong by a huge margin.
So, Zoro beating both of them at the same time seems like the best possible match-up for Zoro here.
Usopp vs Killingham and Zoro vs Dorry+Brogy both have great potential.

Ultimately, it is down to Oda, if he wants nothing accomplished here, nobody will beat nobody, like in Egghead.
Maybe these Holy Knights are Victims of Trapped SHs, Jinbe, Brook, Usopp and Nami,
Cuz if Jinbe figures out how to Unlock those Arrows, He will go save those Kids,
While Brook counters Imu which is gonna surprise no one,

Killingham if He gonna lose, his Last Attack will probably involve some powerful nightmare monster, which reminds me of Lego World where Luffy told him that such Beast shdnt have been a Problem for him, foreshadowing that Usopp might Defeat Killingham, leaving Nami to handle Sommers,

After all these are Colon Pirates,
So yeah I agree with most you said,

Saturn for example was portrayed as Bonney's Fight and Victim even though She dealt 0 damage to him, weaker SHs might receive similar scenes,
 

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#64
Maybe these Holy Knights are Victims of Trapped SHs, Jinbe, Brook, Usopp and Nami,
Cuz if Jinbe figures out how to Unlock those Arrows, He will go save those Kids,
While Brook counters Imu which is gonna surprise no one,

Killingham if He gonna lose, his Last Attack will probably involve some powerful nightmare monster, which reminds me of Lego World where Luffy told him that such Beast shdnt have been a Problem for him, foreshadowing that Usopp might Defeat Killingham, leaving Nami to handle Sommers,

After all these are Colon Pirates,
So yeah I agree with most you said,

Saturn for example was portrayed as Bonney's Fight and Victim even though She dealt 0 damage to him, weaker SHs might receive similar scenes,
It seems to me that Killingham vs Usopp is a given, Sanji vs Sommers as well.
However, due to all of them not having aCoC, many other SHs might be involved in these fights as well but it should be Usopp and Sanji who deals the final blow to those two. It might take time for Sanji to be able to harm Sommers, through Power of Love or if he gets aCoC.
They also share that love theme, Sanjino is over the top kind while Summers prays on kindness...

Killingham vs Usopp is particularly interesting and potentially the best plotline in Elbaf, there could be awesome stuff awaiting Usopp.
Killingham is the one responsible for downfall of Giant Warrior Pirates, his manifestations have wrecked Greak Eirik, Dorry and Brogy's crew. Basically, the guys Usopp looked up to all this time were doomed by Killingham's hands...

Almost poetic that it is Usopp himself who gets revenge. Combat-wise, there is also a great potential. We saw K-ham use bow and arrows to set Library and School on fire, he could be an archer so Usopp's sniper skills will be tested but he is heavily outgunned when facing K-ham's nightmares so the only way to pull through here could be if Usopp awakens CoC haki and does a burst like Joyboy which would definitely break those illusions.

On the other hand, such a haki burst could potentially send all enemies teleporting home so either a weaker version of this is needed or it needs to be left last chronologically and that would propel Usopp to undisputed hero of Elbaf. I dont know how he would deal with K-ham's trident in CQC but a Reject Dial could have been saved up all this time for this very fight as it will very unlikely be saved up for battle with Van Augur.

For now it is hard to imagine how Usopp would make damage stick to K-ham but I am certainly looking forward to this fight more than any other. You may be right about SHs which didnt get spotlight in Wano, being focused on here - Nami, Usopp and Brook. Or at least Usopp and Brook while Nami and Chopper get spotlight in the next destination...
 
#68
I wouldn't put it past Oda to give Zoro multiple fights again like Wano (Hawkins, Killer, fodder, one shot Apoo, Big Mom and Kaido confrontation, capping off 1v1 King). This arc I could see Zoro handle Dorry & Broggy as warm up, then fight Killingham.

At the end of the day, Zoro is mainly about fights and he does get a solid amount more than the other Strawhats. Not to mention he is a vanguard who jumps into the frey first so multiple fights seem fair.
Zoro can solo Demon Dory and Brogy
Exactly. Pre-skip Broggy and Droggy were already weaker than pre-skip Zoro. And there is already a big difference between Post-skip Zoro and current Zoro so it's not because the giants got a PU (which is btw useless against CoC users) from Imu that they went from low mid tier to become a top tiers and give trouble to current Zoro. Lucci is the best example.

Oda gonna use Zoro for stalling/reverse the giants back. But they ain't his main opponents that's for sure.
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And I really don't get why some would prefer an Holy Fodder to the legendary 1.8B Giant pirates captain, now Immortal and power upped.
Holy Fodder ? Dude is soloing the entire Elbaf and even required Loki (or Luffy if Loki wasn't there) to beat one of his nightmare monsters. The rest of giants are completely overwhelmed by Killin's powers. He one shotted another giant without any issue. I don't think Broggy or Droggy can beat Kiba that easily.

He is far away from being a fodder you know ... He is immortal too so the same power upped + has a mythical Zoan that Zoro never beat, which is btw coincidentally (or not) looks like a dragon (zkk 3.0 powaaaa lmao).

The legendary 1.8B giants pirates captains were down the a fodder called Mr.3 who used his ability/intelligence to bring them down. They aren't a big deal.

If Oda uses Killingham's power correctly, it could be crazy.
 
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#69
I don´t think it´s that deep either way, imo we either have a situation where:
1. Oda doesn´t want the HK to bicker in the same way that past pirate crews would. These guys are just completely different, they aren´t competing for positions in the same way, they´re just trying to keep the *poors* and lower world people down. Of course you have cp0 as an exception, but those guys may not be pirates, but they´re not celestial dragons. In a similar way, despite any disagreements they had, the admirals will generally work together, or at least the OG 3, without too many issues(I mean in the context of a marineford war, obviously Sakazuki and Kuzan had their problems settled later, off screen)
2. If Oda wants to maintain this dynamic, we´ll see it in upcoming chapters. Elbaf is a pretty loaded arc with, Loki stuff, the flashback, Gaban stuff, the VC stuff, Imu etc etc, Oda might have just not felt like he had the time to focus on this dynamic yet, and could start now that things are clearing up a bit in the story

I find it really hard to believe Oda would suddenly change a dynamic he's built up and emphasized across multiple arcs the most recent being Wano, which wasn't even that long ago.Besides, Oda can introduce new rivals for characters whenever he wants (just look at how he randomly gave Shiki and Kyu rivals out of nowhere which I still don't fully get those choices lol).On the "positions" argument: we already know you need to be a HK to become a commander of the HK, just like Shamrock did.I also don't really follow your point about CP9/CP0 not being pirates or CD. The core issue here is that we've literally seen Zoro's and Sanji's opponents (Jabra and Kaku) openly hating and fighting each other.The same pattern shows up with the admirals: not just Kuzan vs. Akainu, but even Fujitora straightup disobeying Akainu. And most importantly, we’ve seen Zoro's and Sanji's future opponents (Fujitora and Greenbull) actually clash with each other.With all this evidence, I think it's a losing battle to argue that Oda will change or drop this rivalry dynamic between Zoro's and Sanji's opps.
True, but in that case, Gods Knights are going to remain an antagonistic group until the end of the series. Being the lackey of Moria or Doffy doesn´t have the same prestige to it. It would be a bit off an odd situation if Killingham had no powers beyond his DF, he should have at least basic haki. These guys are expected to subjugate entire countries, and were acknowledged by Dragon as a threat. I´d be skepticial that we´d see Usopp defeat one, especially before the final war, but I don´t want to spend too much time on this, we can agree to disagree, I guess.

Well, one of those three villains is Imu,who we did just see neg diff Rocks, and easily avoid the attacks from Roger, Rocks, Garp, Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido. That will be enough of a challenge for the SHP on there own. It´s possible the problem gets solved quickly, but you do also have Domni reversed giants, who are enough to be a big threat to the island as well..
We're literally starting to see a glimpse that Gunko might switch sides once her memories come back, but that's a whole other debate.I don't think being a lackey to Moria or Doflamingo is relevant here, i could even argue that they all share a family bond than being lackies... anyways the main point is that back then, when we first saw Perona and Sugar, no one expected Usopp to handle them and they weren't easy opponents at all. Even strong characters were completely helpless against their abilities.Don't get me wrong, I also find it hard to imagine Usopp straightup beating a HK . Like I said earlier, I'm not expecting Usopp to win a 1v1 against Killingham.All I know is that Killingham's ability (manifesting dreams/nightmares into reality) ties perfectly into Usopp being the ultimate fearful/cowardly guy. That makes me think there's some real possibility they could face each other.Just imagine: if Killingham used his power on Usopp, wouldn't the whole island get flooded with monsters? That guy is constantly thinking about nightmares his mind is basically a factory for monsters lol.So yeah, like you said, we can agree to disagree. Imu controlling a Gorosei isn't even close to controlling a HK the Abyssal Mark makes that crystal clear, gunko is a non coc HK too..Plus, there was no Nika/Joy Boy savior or Nika hax in GV which highlikely gonna be used to as solutions to undue domi Reversi on the giants...
Sure, but can you think of another situation like this? A character leaving right after being introduced in an arc, then returning at the very end for the climax to fight the Strawhats. It would be like if Kizaru left Marineford, only to return and fight Marco at the very end, it would just be bizarre all around. And it gets weirder if you consider the idea that Imu joining the fray wouldn´t be the last entrance of a villain in the arc, it would be.... Shamrock?

I think the fact that Shamrock left 5 mins after being introduced makes it clear, Oda just wanted to clear up some stuff about Shanks this arc, so he brought Shamrock to explain that Shamrock is the one who reported to the Gorosei, so Oda just wanted to debunk the evil Shanks theories. Similarly, Garling was introduced at Egghead island, but he never actually was summoned to help the Gorosei fight the SHP. Imo, Oda is just rushing a lot of things so he could potentially end the manga soon, and Shanks info is something he wants to get done before Shanks dies/loses
I agree with everything you said about Oda maybe rushing things now that the end's getting close.My only counter on why Shamrock dipped so early: Oda probably wants to give him a solid W in Mariejois first before he eventually faces one of the main crew (Luffy, Zoro, or even Loki).As for Garling not being summoned to Egghead: why would a mere commander get called in when the actual top authority of the wG (the Gorosei) was the one who showed up?
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Lmao soon you would beg for killingham, right now he is stuck against mr 3 victims and paired with hajrudin who is below g2 goofy :Rofl:
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pinzoro fans hate the equel wings so much they rather fight against fodder with hajrudin then HK who are atleast yc :willight:
Soy boy, relax lol
No one's gonna beg here, it's just a theory about 3D characters.
If it happens, cool. If not, cool too.
Zoro fighting Killingham, Imu, or even Killingham's creatures — whatever, it's all good lol
 
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#75
I think Zoro vs Dorry and Brogy as a full fight has a very low chance of happening though
Agree, i think he getting a 1v1 like always
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I still believe Zoro and Sanji will fight Dorry and Brogy. Sommers and Killingham are just not strong enough imo. They will be mid/weak trio victims.
Dorry and Brogy have a bounty of 1.8 billion in their normal forms and now they are stronger after getting domi reversed. They are the next step for the wings.
Zoro and Sanji will be top tiers after beating them.
imo Sanji vs Sommers feels pretty much set in stone at this point
 
#79
In the Egghead Arc, Zoro briefly clashed with Kaku and said he was tired of fighting wriggling things because he had just done that in Wano, i.e., dragons (Kaido and King, the latter's Ancient Zoan DF being a Ryu Ryu model and having a neck-stretching attack, Tempuraudon).

Now here's the irony: in the Elbaph Arc, Killingham is essentially an upgraded version of Kaku, and I think Oda will match them up because of that.

In JP, "giraffe" & "kirin" are used interchangeably, as キリン refers to both. For example, Kaku was referred to as Kirin Ningen in the JP RAW and Giraffe Man in VIZ's translation. Killingham has the Mythical Zoan version of Kaku's fruit.

- Egghead, Elbaph
- Kaku, Killingham
- CPO, Holy Knight
- Giraffe, Kirin

Killingham may not be a swordsman (not that it matters, since he uses a weapon), but his DF ability is about manifesting (dream) demons, while Zoro can manifest Ashura through sheer willpower. This could potentially lead to an interesting interaction and perhaps an exploration of Ashura.


All are weapon users like Killingham :goyea:... except Lucci, but his epithet is "Massacre Weapon." :hohoho:
But Zoro didn't even fight Kaku in Egghead they just clashed briefly, so I don't quite grasp what you're trying to say. Isn't this kinda countering your own argument lol?For Killingham, he manifests dreams into reality, so I don't see the correlation with Ashura, which is mainly a Haki thing (just like Kin'emon manifesting fire through his sheer will). I'd love if Zoro vs Killingham dug into the Grim Reaper scene from Onigashima then I'd def agree. But tying it to Ashura feels kinda far fetched..
 
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