Future Events Zoro won't fight Killingham
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I get the kirin/giraffe connection in Japanese it's a solid catch tbh. I'm just not sold on Zoro fighting yet another similar DF user. He never really repeated opponents with overlapping abilities like that before. Worse, having him battle a centaur like form now and then facing Nusjuro later would be way too repetitive and cheap. It risks making one of the most hyped Zoro matchups feel underwhelming and predictable. I think Oda's matchup setting is rarely this monotone
I mean, it´s what we´re seeing in this arc lol? It´s not like Oda has some sort of legal obligation to do anything, if he wants to not create a dynamic between the two characters, he won´t? There´s other unprecedented things in this arc as well, like Loki being the only character who has a known method to fight Imu, a mind controleld villain being connected to brook etc.
My only point is that they´re in a military organization and aren´t going to act the same as pirates. Sakazuki, Kuzan and Kizaru can work together without having as many issues as King/Queen and Jack would. I only brought up Kaku and Jabra to point out they´re an exception to my point tbh. Sorry if that was overly confusing.
Aramaki and Fujitora are a good point, but they´re both new recruits and we don´t know if they´re constantly bickering on issues unrelated to slavery.
True, and then the arc would end. Oda´s plan(while these usually end up off base by a bit) is that the Strawhats will go to Lodestar/laughtale this year. So presumably, like Harald, Gunko just needs to be overpowered once for the arc and then she regains control. But even that is going to be an issue. Overall, Elbaf would just be an arc Oda made to tie a bunch of loose ends together, give us the important lore before the final war about Rocks and the Davys, the giants etc.
The point is that they´re not reps of important factions that will be relevant later on, like the gods knights are. If you have a character like Usopp beat Killingham in their introduction, they simply aren´t going to be taken seriously later on. It´s not a coincidence that Usopp only took out Suger after Law had beaten Vergo in the previous arc. I won´t say Usopp can never beat a Gods Knight, but it would simply be too early for it too happen.
And tbh, this is all that´s relevant for the larger discussion, imo, Usopp can have his moment against KIllinghams power, but at the end of the day, we still have a mythical zoan, with regeneration, and obviously Haki as well. Usopp can´t put him down, and at that point we have only 4 characters who can do so:
Luffy
Loki
Zoro
Gaban
Given that Loki is set up against Imu, as is Luffy this arc, and Gaban is injured/not really his moment to shine anymore, we have an obvious choice to actually fight and beat Killingham, Zoro.
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Yeah, that would clearly be a top tier feat.
My only point is that they´re in a military organization and aren´t going to act the same as pirates. Sakazuki, Kuzan and Kizaru can work together without having as many issues as King/Queen and Jack would. I only brought up Kaku and Jabra to point out they´re an exception to my point tbh. Sorry if that was overly confusing.
Aramaki and Fujitora are a good point, but they´re both new recruits and we don´t know if they´re constantly bickering on issues unrelated to slavery.
True, and then the arc would end. Oda´s plan(while these usually end up off base by a bit) is that the Strawhats will go to Lodestar/laughtale this year. So presumably, like Harald, Gunko just needs to be overpowered once for the arc and then she regains control. But even that is going to be an issue. Overall, Elbaf would just be an arc Oda made to tie a bunch of loose ends together, give us the important lore before the final war about Rocks and the Davys, the giants etc.
The point is that they´re not reps of important factions that will be relevant later on, like the gods knights are. If you have a character like Usopp beat Killingham in their introduction, they simply aren´t going to be taken seriously later on. It´s not a coincidence that Usopp only took out Suger after Law had beaten Vergo in the previous arc. I won´t say Usopp can never beat a Gods Knight, but it would simply be too early for it too happen.
And tbh, this is all that´s relevant for the larger discussion, imo, Usopp can have his moment against KIllinghams power, but at the end of the day, we still have a mythical zoan, with regeneration, and obviously Haki as well. Usopp can´t put him down, and at that point we have only 4 characters who can do so:
Luffy
Loki
Zoro
Gaban
Given that Loki is set up against Imu, as is Luffy this arc, and Gaban is injured/not really his moment to shine anymore, we have an obvious choice to actually fight and beat Killingham, Zoro.
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Is soloing Dorry+Brogy the best feat possible in Elbaf? 
WB is stated to reach his prime 2 years after GV at age 38 in magazine. Roger had toughest fight of his life in GV and had already reached lodestar island. All he was missing was a translator which he begged from WB.
Ray was definitely in his prime or close to it in GV. Roger even gets sick and weaker post GV.
Ray was definitely in his prime or close to it in GV. Roger even gets sick and weaker post GV.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
Just like Shiki suddenly got Kyo as a rival out of nowhere.It's not about legal obligation lol, It's Oda's consistent pattern for years: Zoro and Sanji never face opponents who sync or team up together at least without clashing.This dynamic almost never changes especially post TS, which is one of the biggest criticisms Oda receives.He could break it in this arc sure, but the long established pattern remains a strong hint that Zoro probably won't fight someone who works in tandem with Sanji's opponent.The claim that Loki is "the only one who has a known method to fight Imu" isn't even true, but it's irrelevant to the point anyway
Well exactly, no matter the organization, Zoro's and Sanji's opponents will pretty much always bicker or clash over something which just proves the dynamic I'm talking about
I'm not aware on whether Oda explicitly said or hinted that Elbaf wraps up this year for the SH to head straight to Lodestar or Laugh Tale by the end of it
Honestly, GV has already done irreversible damage to the HKs.Explain how losing to a powered up Usopp makes someone less of a threat or cant be taken seriously, would you say the same about the BB Pirates if Usopp supposedly defeats Van Augur? Also one of your main points is Oda wrapping things up quickly since Laugh Tale and the final war are near (we're at the endgame now), but Usopp beating an HK is still seen as "too early"?
Fair point, but if Luffy and Loki are set up against Imu, Zoro vs. Killingham, and Gaban's out for injury then who's left to beat Sommers? (U cant say sanji since he cant counter regen just like usopp)
Just like Shiki suddenly got Kyo as a rival out of nowhere.It's not about legal obligation lol, It's Oda's consistent pattern for years: Zoro and Sanji never face opponents who sync or team up together at least without clashing.This dynamic almost never changes especially post TS, which is one of the biggest criticisms Oda receives.He could break it in this arc sure, but the long established pattern remains a strong hint that Zoro probably won't fight someone who works in tandem with Sanji's opponent.The claim that Loki is "the only one who has a known method to fight Imu" isn't even true, but it's irrelevant to the point anyway
Well exactly, no matter the organization, Zoro's and Sanji's opponents will pretty much always bicker or clash over something which just proves the dynamic I'm talking about
I'm not aware on whether Oda explicitly said or hinted that Elbaf wraps up this year for the SH to head straight to Lodestar or Laugh Tale by the end of it
Honestly, GV has already done irreversible damage to the HKs.Explain how losing to a powered up Usopp makes someone less of a threat or cant be taken seriously, would you say the same about the BB Pirates if Usopp supposedly defeats Van Augur? Also one of your main points is Oda wrapping things up quickly since Laugh Tale and the final war are near (we're at the endgame now), but Usopp beating an HK is still seen as "too early"?
Fair point, but if Luffy and Loki are set up against Imu, Zoro vs. Killingham, and Gaban's out for injury then who's left to beat Sommers? (U cant say sanji since he cant counter regen just like usopp)
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