Questions & Mysteries Will The Holy Knights live up to the hype or be disappointing in Elbaf?

[Paragorn]

True, but since none of the five recent Admirals have shown to have Conqueror's, it's a draw. Someone like Sommers can't beat Kizaru as he's too weak, and Kizaru can beat Sommers because of his stupid magic power.

Extremely confusing post lol.

Firstly no, Admirals cannonically showed CoC and all of them has CoC.

Secondly, how is Admirals vs Holy knights is a draw and then you say Kiz can beat Sommers? Lol. Are you tellling me Fujitora vs Killingham is an extreme diff either way lmao? Also, "stupid magic power"? Wtf lol?

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Extremely confusing post lol.

Firstly no, Admirals cannonically showed CoC and all of them has CoC.

Secondly, how is Admirals vs Holy knights is a draw and then you say Kiz can beat Sommers? Lol. Are you tellling me Fujitora vs Killingham is an extreme diff either way lmao? Also, "stupid magic power"? Wtf lol?

I would love to see an example of any of the five recent Admirals showing Conqueror's Haki.

 

[Paragorn]

I would love to see an example of any of the five recent Admirals showing Conqueror's Haki.

Read Kuzan vs Garp

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Read Kuzan vs Garp

That was Garp who had the lightning effects.

Also, in regards to earlier, I did not say that. I said Sommers would be too weak to beat any Admiral, but someone like Kizaru could not harm him because he definitely doesn't have CoC, which is to bypass the Covenant/Imu's stupid magic bullshit powers.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Well, King and Queen started off disappointing, especially Queen, then turned out to be some of the strongest and most impressive high tiers. Plus Queen is one of the top 3 or 5 most versatile fighters in the verse.
So I wouldn't write the HKs off just yet, we need to see them at full power

 

[JackThaConflagration]

They are pretty strong
1. Shamrock is the non cripple version of shanks, with immortality
2. Princess shuri is at the very least yonko level.
She fucked up Loki, one shotted gaban, one paneled mugiwara sans monster trio. Jinbe is stronger than sanji. So only Luffy and Zoro can even have a chance against her.
3. Harald was guy on rocks level with immortality. Yeah...
4. Qilingham has very strong fruit, and beat down the Giants he fought. But yeah, he's a more of a specialist and not a 1v1 fighter.
5. Sommers and maffey are trash commander level fodder.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It was spelled out last chapter:

They need to be actually KO’d as their DFs are causing the problems on Elbaf. And haki is shown to be the primary method of doing this.

 

[Paragorn]

That was Garp who had the lightning effects.

This is copium mechanism when we lightning effects from both Garp and Kuzan sides, so you're either coping or just bein disonhest(or both).

Also, in regards to earlier, I did not say that. Kizaru couldn't hurt Sommers because of the Covenant/magic powers, and as someone who describes himself as a "cog in the machine" he definitely doesn't have CoC.

Do you understand this kizaru line doesn't debunk CoC?

Again, do you gennually believe Fujitora vs Killingham is an extreme diff either way? Can you even elaborare how Holy Knights can match Admirals?

Hax regen is blinding you lol

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Well, King and Queen started off disappointing, especially Queen, then turned out to be some of the strongest and most impressive high tiers. Plus Queen is one of the top 3 or 5 most versatile fighters in the verse.
So I wouldn't write the HKs off just yet, we need to see them at full power

Queen is one of the worst fighters in the entire series, battle IQ wise. It's very clear that although himself and Ceasar have a lot of power that can defeat opponents they are in fact not fighters but scientists, they are totally inept at actually fighting.

It's like they own a Ferrari and win against someone with a Fiat even though the driver of the Ferrari is Joe from Birmingham and the driver of Fiat is Lewis Hamilton.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Queen is one of the worst fighters in the entire series, battle IQ wise. It's very clear that although himself and Ceasar have a lot of power that can defeat opponents they are in fact not fighters but scientists, they are totally inept at actually fighting.

It's like they own a Ferrari and win against someone with a Fiat even though the driver of the Ferrari is Joe from Birmingham and the driver of Fiat is Lewis Hamilton.

That's mostly due to gags, he's a pretty competent fighter when he puts his mind to it.
He only made mistakes when he was holding back on Sanji, and even then he didn't do that much wrong besides accidentally blowing himself up after already crushing Sanji's skeleton (which would have ended the fight if it were anyone else in Sanji's place mind you)

 

[Paperchampion23]

It was spelled out last chapter:

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Regardells of everything, Shamrock is EoS material. He won't come back now.

Him being there was only to present him to us because of GV FB.

The issue is leaving Shamrock beyond this arc just going to further bloat an already heavy endgame. He didnt exist prior to this arc and now we still have like 4 potential villains Luffy needs to face lol. Elbaf will be yet another arc that doesnt actually resolve any of them either.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

This is copium mechanism when we lightning effects from both Garp and Kuzan sides, so you're either coping or just bein disonhest(or both).


Do you understand this kizaru line doesn't debunk CoC?

Again, do you gennually believe Fujitora vs Killingham is an extreme diff either way? Can you even elaborare how Holy Knights can match Admirals?

Hax regen is blinding you lol

Someone who call themselves a cog in the machine isn't going to have the qualities of a Supreme King. Neither does a man who lost all passion for his job and then became a listless drifter for a time.

Now, since you apparently are struggling with comprehending what I saw, look closely:

I am NOT saying weak Holy Knights such as Sommers or Killingham could actually defeat an Admiral, HOWEVER, none of the current three Admirals have shown to have Conqueror's Haki, which is the key to actually hurt them.

Thus, as I said originally, it would be a stalemate.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Holy Roppo for a reason.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Someone who call themselves a cog in the machine isn't going to have the qualities of a Supreme King. Neither does a man who lost all passion for his job and then became a listless drifter for a time.

Now, since you apparently are struggling with comprehending what I saw, look closely:

I am NOT saying weak Holy Knights such as Sommers or Killingham could actually defeat an Admiral, HOWEVER, none of the current three Admirals have shown to have Conqueror's Haki, which is the key to actually hurt them.

Thus, as I said originally, it would be a stalemate.

Oh, Fuji has it all right. For sure.

Also Aokiji might have it. Even Luffy and Ace lost their will for a while. And Aokiji might still be undercover.

 

[soupongo]

The issue is leaving Shamrock beyond this arc just going to further bloat an already heavy endgame. He didnt exist prior to this arc and now we still have like 4 potential villains Luffy needs to face lol. Elbaf will be yet another arc that doesnt actually resolve any of them either.

Shamrock is being introduced in the arc because Oda wanted to delve into Shanks´s backstory and Shamrock is an important part of that, it´s not really complicated, and he´s definitely not coming back. He also doesn´t really have a proper tie to Luffy anyway, so I don´t know why you would assume Luffy is going to face him, even Loki is technically more likely.

Someone who call themselves a cog in the machine isn't going to have the qualities of a Supreme King. Neither does a man who lost all passion for his job and then became a listless drifter for a time.

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Why is Kuzan being unemployed for a brief time mean he can´t have it lol? He was disappointed in the fleet admiral being someone he found unethical and had a completely different view of justice than him. We saw a confirmed COC user in Garp have the same issue in the flashback after what he saw on GV, and our proper introduction to COC in the story is a retired semi depressed underling of Rogers.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Oh, Fuji has it all right. For sure.

Also Aokiji might have it. Even Luffy and Ace lost their will for a while. And Aokiji might still be undercover.

I feel Sakazuki is the one out of the five who is the most likely to have it. Borsalino and Aramaki almost assuredly do not. I don't think Kuzan does. Issho...is quite possible.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Can you even elaborare how Holy Knights can match Admirals?

Hax regen is blinding you lol

Gunko is basically an avatar of Imu himself and she could tbh be a top tier even when Imu isn’t possessing her.

She performed better against the SHs than Big Mom did in WCI.

She’s no ordinary HK. The only other ones that are ageless and Imu possesses directly are the Gorosei. Gunko’s contract is likely the deep deep sea contract. I’d imagine her physical stats and regen are likewise on a different level from the standard HKs as well.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

I feel Sakazuki is the one out of the five who is the most likely to have it. Borsalino and Aramaki almost assuredly do not. I don't think Kuzan does. Issho...is quite possible.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough.

Akainu - 1.000 % has it.
Fujitora - 100 % has it.

Akainu is so clear in my head that I forgot to write his name.

His 5B bounty by CG is not by accident, both his strength and will is accounted for.

Even if WB was old he still took his bloody head off. At worst in another scenario where the two kept fighting it would have been a double KO with both dying.

 

[Paragorn]

Someone who call themselves a cog in the machine isn't going to have the qualities of a Supreme King. Neither does a man who lost all passion for his job and then became a listless drifter for a time.

Now, since you apparently are struggling with comprehending what I saw, look closely:

I am NOT saying weak Holy Knights such as Sommers or Killingham could actually defeat an Admiral, HOWEVER, none of the current three Admirals have shown to have Conqueror's Haki, which is the key to actually hurt them.

Thus, as I said originally, it would be a stalemate.

Before you said all five admirals has no CoC, now you said current three? Lol. Kuzan and Akainu having CoC is fine but Kizaru who has close portrayal with them can't have it? Lmao. And if the OG Admirals(even Sengoku) are conquerors, why it would be diferent with new admirals?lol

You folks probably thought Tobiroppo + Calamities were ~ Admirals because of their pre-historycal zoan durability back in 2020 lol.

Gunko is basically an avatar of Imu himself and she could tbh be a top tier even when Imu isn’t possessing her.

She performed better against the SHs than Big Mom did in WCI.

She’s no ordinary HK. The only other ones that are ageless and Imu possesses directly are the Gorosei. Gunko’s contract is likely the deep deep sea contract. I’d imagine her physical stats and regen are likewise on a different level from the standard HKs as well.

Wrook opponent

You folks better pray for Holy roppo not being mid trio opponents which is very likely.

 

[Paragorn]

I feel Sakazuki is the one out of the five who is the most likely to have it. Borsalino and Aramaki almost assuredly do not. I don't think Kuzan does. Issho...is quite possible.

It's not that you think Kuzan doesn't have CoC, you just can't read lol