Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion

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Instead because she was reminded of her father she broke free. As of now holy knights have gotten the shit beaten out of them and never brought back to their senses except for the one time a character immediately started talking about their loved ones.
I did entertain that idea.
All best getting resistence from loki squad for that.
Beating them doesn't bring them to consciousness but memories do or maybe a loved one.
 
Instead because she was reminded of her father she broke free. As of now holy knights have gotten the shit beaten out of them and never brought back to their senses except for the one time a character immediately started talking about their loved ones.
as of now only 2 hk have been shown to be made hk by trickery

and harald was not wavering or turning back at all before loki messed him up. also, harald was in his homeland, fighting against his people, and his son loki before. he didn't just get a moment of clarity out of nowhere lol.

where as gunko has not seen brook in 80 years. and hasn't remembered her past either.
 
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Loki is making Zboys genuinely schizo, first they convinced themselves that he was a DF merchant relying on Ragnir and the Elbaf fruit(even though he already had a top tier feat before he got either of those things, which was emphasized by him taming Ragnir) which is literally just copying their arguments for Kidd and Law, from years ago.

Now they´re convincing themselves that Ryuma killed a Dragon, so it has to be a user of the Nidhogg fruit(????) or some shit lmfao.
Sanjino stop baiting.
 
as of now only 2 hk have been shown to be made hk by trickery

and harald was not wavering or turning back at all before loki messed him up
Neither was Gunko when she first saw Brook. But once the memories of loved ones came they were freed momentarily.

The death of Ida was the first things he talked about when he was back. As of now we have zero evidence beating up HKs frees them from the mind control but two times has loved ones been brought up
 
so your argument is "a lot of people thought X would happen but it didn't. so clearly Y is not gonna happen either" ?

There's no correlation between the two at all.


We have enough info. Shank is strong as fuck. Has insane haki feats. Loki hates shank specifically. Not shank + his entire crew.

And Loki wanted goofy to release him from the chains, so we know he was not in the chains of his own will.

Shank beat him up nd tied him up cause he was going up against the wg and shank knew it wasn't time yet.
Is that what I said? Don't put words in my mouth

You’re implying that I’m trying to say that he teamed up with his crew to take Loki down or something. You’re approaching this from a powerscaling perspective, I’m not commenting on that at all

All I said was we’ve purposely been misled multiple times this arc and it wouldn’t be surprising if the same thing happened again. Is there a possibility that they fought? Sure

There’s also a possibility that they didn’t fight and Loki made a deal with Shanks. This arc is filled with misdirections

It was assumed that Loki killed his father due to greed and that wasn’t the case, Brook assumes that Gunko (Shuri) killed her father with bad intentions and that clearly isn’t the case

It would be perfectly in line with the way he’s been writing the story so far. Not to mention Loki knows something about Shanks/his location

How do you explain that if there’s no current connection between them?

Gaban and Jarul went on about the crimes Loki committed just for nearly all of them to be completely false or they made more sense within context. I’m open to being wrong but don’t be surprised if Oda throws another curveball

It wouldn’t be his first time this arc
 
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