Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion
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I honesty think we are getting ahead of ourselves assuming anything beyond Luffy being the Sun God. Who knows what the rest even represent, if at all. For all we know Imu might be something else, and Luffy's is the only surviving deity through a devil fruit.
Im just saying you are assuming a lot from nothing about what any of these beings even are.
Im just saying you are assuming a lot from nothing about what any of these beings even are.
What are you comparing exactly?
We have barely seen Loki's fruit and offensively It seems much better. Obv. we have barely seen it, so no point brining in Kaido's most powerful attack.
Size Is a defence on his own. Good luck cutting that.
If you want something else, simply go hybrid.
Loki is most likely even better defensively.
We have barely seen Loki's fruit and offensively It seems much better. Obv. we have barely seen it, so no point brining in Kaido's most powerful attack.
Size Is a defence on his own. Good luck cutting that.
If you want something else, simply go hybrid.
Loki is most likely even better defensively.
@soupongo Ngl Poseidon’s power always seemed kinda underwhelming for an Ancient Weapon. Sure, the combiner might of every Sea King in the world is pretty formidable, but it’s not like Shirahoshi can teleport them all to her location. Any top tier that wants to kill Poseidon could do so pretty easily since there’s only gonna be at beast a few dozen or so Sea Kings in the immediate vicinity of FMI, and it doesn’t help that fodders like Momonga can easily one shot Sea Kings. Uranus’s and Pluton’s ability to instantly vaporize islands is more impressive
What does this even mean?
Unless you mean he turned off his regen which isn’t true but if Lokis devil fruit has an ability that counters it then yeah but if not then that’s just a pure coc feat.
and this statement is false Loki would’ve killed Harald regardless he was able to get him out of mind control and reverted to base to finish him off Him regening means nothing cause when Loki used a all out attack Harald was obliterated despite having Regen passively used.
Unless you mean he turned off his regen which isn’t true but if Lokis devil fruit has an ability that counters it then yeah but if not then that’s just a pure coc feat.
and this statement is false Loki would’ve killed Harald regardless he was able to get him out of mind control and reverted to base to finish him off Him regening means nothing cause when Loki used a all out attack Harald was obliterated despite having Regen passively used.
Yeah maybe, though I don´t really want to get into the lore stuff for now, Oda is keeping it vague and we don´t really know much. It´s like how I don´t have it in me to argue with Domni Reverse because no one knows wtf it really is, so it feels like a waste of time.
I just disagree with Paperchampion(nothing personal ofc) that we can assume that Imu doesn´t recognize Loki´s power based on the flashback, I think we´ll find out in a chapter or two when Luffy and Loki meet Imu. Oda´s goal in having the flashback was mostly just to show Imu´s perspective on ¨fumbling the bag¨ with an Elbaf King willing to cuck for him.
I just disagree with Paperchampion(nothing personal ofc) that we can assume that Imu doesn´t recognize Loki´s power based on the flashback, I think we´ll find out in a chapter or two when Luffy and Loki meet Imu. Oda´s goal in having the flashback was mostly just to show Imu´s perspective on ¨fumbling the bag¨ with an Elbaf King willing to cuck for him.
What does this have to do with Luffy and Enel? This just puts Gaban/Shanks and Loki in the same boat. Something Luffy and Zoro/Wyper were not on.
Without even getting into the details of it, yes the fruit made Loki stronger. This is the version of Loki we are discussing, the one who has this fruit.
Although making Ragnir submit to him in base just further adds to how strong he is given HK Harald's statement [x]
Alright let's factor this in then (I don't want to out myself but because I'm not actually reading Elbaf this is not something I paid any attention to 💀). Let's assume killing a HK is linked to this "soul" power. It's possible.
And I raise you the same point I did earlier, even ignoring the feat of actually killing Harald, his feat of "beating the Imu" out of Harald temporarily, alone, gives him the best feat, given the combined force of Shanks + Gaban couldn't bring Harald to that state from what we know. Unless you are going to say this was also due to his soul powers?
Btw this is ignoring the sheer portrayal gap between Gaban + Shanks and Loki, It’s already a stretch to assume Gaban even understands the inner mechanics of Ragnir and the legendary fruit. Gaban barely knew anything about Harald, he assumed he could atleast slow him down the same way he did the other HKs, clearly he was wrong.
Why would someone who’s still figuring out how HK Harald’s body even works suddenly have detailed knowledge about something as complex and specific as the interaction between an untouched fruit’s abilities and an immortal body utilizing ACoC? This was all new to him. Yet he believed Loki was their only hope [x]
It makes far more sense to assume Gaban simply believed that Loki, after receiving the overall power boost from the fruit, had a better chance of stopping Harald than he and Shanks combined, not that he had some deep technical understanding of the fruit's mechanics and how it interacts with HK Harald.
Without even getting into the details of it, yes the fruit made Loki stronger. This is the version of Loki we are discussing, the one who has this fruit.
Although making Ragnir submit to him in base just further adds to how strong he is given HK Harald's statement [x]
Alright let's factor this in then (I don't want to out myself but because I'm not actually reading Elbaf this is not something I paid any attention to 💀). Let's assume killing a HK is linked to this "soul" power. It's possible.
And I raise you the same point I did earlier, even ignoring the feat of actually killing Harald, his feat of "beating the Imu" out of Harald temporarily, alone, gives him the best feat, given the combined force of Shanks + Gaban couldn't bring Harald to that state from what we know. Unless you are going to say this was also due to his soul powers?
Btw this is ignoring the sheer portrayal gap between Gaban + Shanks and Loki, It’s already a stretch to assume Gaban even understands the inner mechanics of Ragnir and the legendary fruit. Gaban barely knew anything about Harald, he assumed he could atleast slow him down the same way he did the other HKs, clearly he was wrong.
Why would someone who’s still figuring out how HK Harald’s body even works suddenly have detailed knowledge about something as complex and specific as the interaction between an untouched fruit’s abilities and an immortal body utilizing ACoC? This was all new to him. Yet he believed Loki was their only hope [x]
It makes far more sense to assume Gaban simply believed that Loki, after receiving the overall power boost from the fruit, had a better chance of stopping Harald than he and Shanks combined, not that he had some deep technical understanding of the fruit's mechanics and how it interacts with HK Harald.
I mean momonga killed a small seaking. There are those that are as large as islands themselves as we’ve seen.
The only people who’s ever been able to kill those were Dory and Brogy, 1.8 billion Berry legends And even they didn’t treat it as something small.
Someone who can control an army of those things is definitely worth being called a weapon on par with pluton.
The only people who’s ever been able to kill those were Dory and Brogy, 1.8 billion Berry legends And even they didn’t treat it as something small.
Someone who can control an army of those things is definitely worth being called a weapon on par with pluton.