Speculations Could Shamrock have the Hellfire Serpent Mythical Zoan?

Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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Now that we’ve seen Loki’s full beast form, I think it’s basically confirmed that Loki’s transformation in the dragon on the tree in the mural:


In this mural, we can clearly see the dragon (Loki) clashing with the giant serpent on the right, which is likely the Hellfire Serpent mentioned in the First World Harley text. Since the dragon creature got incarnated as a DF, wouldn’t it make sense for its rival, the Hellfire Serpent, to also be incarnated as a DF? If so, I think that Shamrock would be a good contender for possessing this DF.

Oda definitely set up a future confrontation between Loki and Shamrock at the beginning of Elbaf, with Shamrock stabbing Loki 3 times, being partially responsible for Loki’s animal friends dying, and pretty much taunting Loki to fight him later on.



Of course, Oda could always just have Loki stomp Shamrock low/mid diff if he really wanted to, but I think Shamrock is too narratively important to be done dirty like that. He is the identical twin brother of Oda’s beloved Shanks after all, and was important enough to be placed on the contender spread. So if Shamrock will be strong enough to give Loki a good fight, then he would need to have something ridiculous up his sleeve to contend with a monster like Loki, and him possessing the Hellfire Serpent DF would be enough to justify him being Loki level.

I’d also like to point out that Loki and Shamrock do share the similarity of both possessing Mythical Zoan weapons, with Shamrock’s Cerberus sharing a “Hell” theme that would go along well with him being the owner of the “Hellfire Serpent” fruit.
 
Shiroyru

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soupongo said:
Makes sense to me, apparently Oda had to tell his editor what the OP really is the same chapter Shamrock was introduced, and it´s no coincidence that he and Loki were both introduced in the arc where we see the mural.
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One problem with the theory though is that Oda seems to have made Garling be fruitless for some reason, so maybe he wants all the Figarlands to be Hakimen
 
soupongo

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Shiroyru said:
One problem with the theory though is that Oda seems to have made Garling be fruitless for some reason, so maybe he wants all the Figarlands to be Hakimen
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I seriously doubt that, they´re already using outside forces to get strength(the seals), and there isn´t really any point in not eating a DF if you aren´t a pirate, since the Gods Knights probably aren´t worried about getting in ship wrecks.

God Valley was long enough ago that it doesn´t necessarily mean much for current day. For example, in the flashback, Kaido and Big Mom weren´t really evil, though we know they clearly are in the modern day.

Also, even if Garling is a hakiman, Roger, Rocks, Harald and Garp were too, but they all had kids who were definitely defined by their DF abilities(We all pretty much know that Dragon has some wind power, but if you want to only use confirmations, just use Luffy as Garps grandson who isn´t a hakiman)
 
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Shiroyru

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soupongo said:
I seriously doubt that, they´re already using outside forces to get strength(the seals), and there isn´t really any point in not eating a DF if you aren´t a pirate, since the Gods Knights probably aren´t worried about getting in ship wrecks.

God Valley was long enough ago that it doesn´t necessarily mean much for current day. For example, in the flashback, Kaido and Big Mom weren´t really evil, though we know they clearly are in the modern day.
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Do you think that the Gorosei have DFs? On one hand, Oda only listed the names of their Yokai and not their would-be DF names for some reason, and it would make sense that the Abyssal seal would grant a power up beyond just agelessness. However, if that’s the case, why don’t the Gorosei eat DFs to make themselves even more powerful? They don’t really give off “Hakimen” vibes, so I doubt they refuse to eat a fruit out of principle. Gunko also seems to have an Abyssal seal, but doesn’t have a Yokai form
 
GrandmasterChef Zonji

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Shiroyru said:
Now that we’ve seen Loki’s full beast form, I think it’s basically confirmed that Loki’s transformation in the dragon on the tree in the mural:


In this mural, we can clearly see the dragon (Loki) clashing with the giant serpent on the right, which is likely the Hellfire Serpent mentioned in the First World Harley text. Since the dragon creature got incarnated as a DF, wouldn’t it make sense for its rival, the Hellfire Serpent, to also be incarnated as a DF? If so, I think that Shamrock would be a good contender for possessing this DF.

Oda definitely set up a future confrontation between Loki and Shamrock at the beginning of Elbaf, with Shamrock stabbing Loki 3 times, being partially responsible for Loki’s animal friends dying, and pretty much taunting Loki to fight him later on.



Of course, Oda could always just have Loki stomp Shamrock low/mid diff if he really wanted to, but I think Shamrock is too narratively important to be done dirty like that. He is the identical twin brother of Oda’s beloved Shanks after all, and was important enough to be placed on the contender spread. So if Shamrock will be strong enough to give Loki a good fight, then he would need to have something ridiculous up his sleeve to contend with a monster like Loki, and him possessing the Hellfire Serpent DF would be enough to justify him being Loki level.

I’d also like to point out that Loki and Shamrock do share the similarity of both possessing Mythical Zoan weapons, with Shamrock’s Cerberus sharing a “Hell” theme that would go along well with him being the owner of the “Hellfire Serpent” fruit.
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Garling need this more than Shamrock tbh
 
Halyup

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soupongo said:
I seriously doubt that, they´re already using outside forces to get strength(the seals), and there isn´t really any point in not eating a DF if you aren´t a pirate, since the Gods Knights probably aren´t worried about getting in ship wrecks.

God Valley was long enough ago that it doesn´t necessarily mean much for current day. For example, in the flashback, Kaido and Big Mom weren´t really evil, though we know they clearly are in the modern day.

Also, even if Garling is a hakiman, Roger, Rocks, Harald and Garp were too, but they all had kids who were definitely defined by their DF abilities(We all pretty much know that Dragon has some wind power, but if you want to only use confirmations, just use Luffy as Garps grandson who isn´t a hakiman)
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How is Linlin not evil
That MF eat her friends and mother caramel
 
soupongo

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Shiroyru said:
Do you think that the Gorosei have DFs? On one hand, Oda only listed the names of their Yokai and not their would-be DF names for some reason, and it would make sense that the Abyssal seal would grant a power up beyond just agelessness. However, if that’s the case, why don’t the Gorosei eat DFs to make themselves even more powerful? They don’t really give off “Hakimen” vibes, so I doubt they refuse to eat a fruit out of principle. Gunko also seems to have an Abyssal seal, but doesn’t have a Yokai form
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I think Imu at least has to have something above the DFs, unless he just has the most OP df of all time. So maybe they had their own powers, and DFs are from the ancient kingdom. They could avoid DFs because it´s from the lower world
 
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