Controversial The Great Loki vs The Top Dogs Bet.

[Djordje]

Loki is already above old generation manga was pretty clear with that and no amount of your crying is going to change that.

If characters like Shanks ,Mihawk ,Dragon are above Loki ( I personally doubt it but I leave it open as possibility) then it means those characters too are above old generation.

 

[Dragon777]

Good idea by the brotha @Sentinel

The bet centers around the Great Loki himself. And its very simple.

Loki gets established as a fighter to be above Dragon, Shanks, Akainu, by the end of Elbaf
Vs
He gets established below those 3.

Im using these 4 to keep it very controlled, less variability of "arguments" without including the others. Also I stress, this solely about fighting, so any super duper shit he might be able to do but wont help for shit in a fight, wont be counted.


What's on the line: The main reps of each side will make Avis for the losing side to wear.


Im setting the poll to close in a week, so whoever hits the poll is in on the bet.

I like when people are willing to put themselves on the line for what they believe.
One point: how they are going to be "established"?

I suppose we are never going to agree on that.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Loki is second only to imu and joyboy for now. OG nika and other gods if real are also probably above him though its very speculative.

In eos only Luffy and BB will be above him.

 

[Blahmigooo]

Imagine eating one of the only two DF that could end/take over the world, be a challenge to Imu etc
Wielding a top tier legendary weapon with mythical power.
On top of being born with the most overpowered gifted raw abilities and power in the world.
Stomping and Killing HK Harald i.e Xebec lvl+
But you still come out weaker than those 3?

Something's wrong.
Maybe Loki strength and power are all fake.
HK Harald was such a huge fraud, which make Xebec Roger WB Garp an even bigger fraud.
Power scaling crumbled if that happens.....

 

[soupongo]

Brotha, you're equating me stating "just cause Loki is on the mural doesnt equate to him being more important than a character who isnt on the mural" with "Loki is not relevant at all and the mural doesn't matter".

The latter would be dishonesty, but that isn't the point that im making. Your points would be perfect for the latter, but thats not what im saying. Loki is very important to the story as he possesses a DF that played an important part in the war 800+ years ago. However, that doesn't equate to him being automatically more relevant than characters who arent shown on the mural from a war 800 years ago.

I can agree to that, but I'm also not sure how you can argue that any character not on the mural/with one of the two DFs, or with ties to characters from the ancient century will end up being a bigger deal in the war, tbh.

 

[MUUGEN]

Good idea by the brotha @Sentinel

The bet centers around the Great Loki himself. And its very simple.

Loki gets established as a fighter to be above Dragon, Shanks, Akainu, by the end of Elbaf
Vs
He gets established below those 3.

Im using these 4 to keep it very controlled, less variability of "arguments" without including the others. Also I stress, this solely about fighting, so any super duper shit he might be able to do but wont help for shit in a fight, wont be counted.


What's on the line: The main reps of each side will make Avis for the losing side to wear.


Im setting the poll to close in a week, so whoever hits the poll is in on the bet.

I*'d say based off what we know equal or below shanks due to losing but above akainu and dragon

akainu realistically isnt doing anything to loki unless he randomly has CoC now.

Dragon should be relative though based on Garp & Luffy / portrayal

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Below or relative to Shanks most likely.
Don't know about Dragon, nobody knows infact.
Below Akainu for sure.

 

[Dragon777]

Though I am serious: the point is how do we "establish" the point?

For example, for me, since at GV Imu basically was unbothered by a combined attack from Xebec + Garp + Roger + WB + BM + Kaido, if Loki alone manages to damage him, that's a clear proof of his superiority. Same: Xenec got now diffed since he was turned into a slave of Imu in 0,1 seconds; if Loki manages to do better, it means he's stronger.

But I am sure some would disagree. Some are going to say Imu here is weaker, even though his haki blast on Ernfa was even stronger and here Imu is actually possessing someone, demonifying Gunko and actually using his powers, meaning he's much more present now than in GV.

Tha't just to say that people won't ever agree that it was "established" unless Oda comes out and says it, just like they didn't for Kizaru feeding Luffy for example.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I love when idiots act like Loki being a God Tier and far stronger than all top tiers wasn’t already decided during the flashback. Lol

 

[soupongo]

So I guess BB never has to sleep and can eat multiple DFs for no good reason?

There's a reason, all I'm saying is that they make "Blackbeard" special, not a specific group of individuals in one body.

Now that the Cerberus theory is dead, and Xebec sealing himself inside of Xebec is also probably dead, I think we can drop the multiple people in Teach theory.

 

[Dragon777]

I love when idiots act like Loki being a God Tier and far stronger than all top tiers wasn’t already decided during the flashback. Lol

Legit the only real point is "But Shanks has beaten him".

Which is not really one since even if it were true, that would just hype Shanks.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Pray to Oda that Shanks/Dragon/Akainu are PK++ tier.

 

[SakazOuki]

Sakazuki wins obviously
Not sure about Dragon
Shanks no way beats Loki

 

[thisnewtechnique]

We are talking about Prime Loki here. Imu his only match.

 

[Kumathegoat]

Loki is above Akainu

Below Dragon and Shanks