Powers & Abilities What is Roger´s greatest individual fighting feat ?

[FutureWarrior123]

Imagine thinking Oda was gonna proceed with the manga heading into the final saga by having the first top tier to be fought and defeated by the main character pre final saga be relevant powerwise


It's insane the amount of cope people are willing to make. Kaido was a stepping stone, we been saying that for years
Now we have gods high demons antichrist and whatever other nutjobs Oda will introduce and hype to sell this damn thing

They glaze a character the author himself has no respect for. Dude wrote him as some idiot betting on his army of Gifters against a force that has military strength he has full awareness of.

 

[SakazOuki]

They glaze a character the author himself has no respect for. Dude wrote him as some idiot betting on his army of Gifters against a force that has military strength he has full awareness of.

Bet you most of these copers are Zoro fans who hyped the papercut scar he gave him using Oden's haki, or great scholars who argued for base Kaido soloing three admirals 😂

Real kaido fans saw the irony of Oda creating a character such as Loki and simply jumped ship lmfao

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Real kaido fans saw the irony of Oda creating a character such as Loki and simply jumped ship lmfao

@Loki D. Terror

Bro gets too much of a bad rap. The most sensible Kaido fan on here.

 

[Xione]

They glaze a character the author himself has no respect for. Dude wrote him as some idiot betting on his army of Gifters against a force that has military strength he has full awareness of.

Which force are you referring to? WG or the Rebels?

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Which force are you referring to? WG or the Rebels?

WG.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Are we talking about the same Kaido who aclnowledged base Luffy as a wprthy foe, who got jump roped by Nika, who couldn't hurt Niks whatsoever
Luffy is the man who beat Kaido, get over it
The first top tier to fall, pre saga stepping stone

I bet you have Zoro over King even though King turned his flame off like a retard

Inb4 "Kaido fought 100 fodder who cant hurt him" cope

Zoro is over King, because he beat King. Given that we don't know how his body works, that's a really dumb excuse. He obviously didn't lose intentionally.

Luffy was beaten by Kaido low diff twice on Onigashima. Without help from allies such as Zoro, Yamato, and the Scabbards, who all drew blood, without literally by saved by Polar Tang, etc... the best you can give Luffy is Gear 5 but that dogshit stamina wouldn't hold up. Dude was gassed by fighting Lucci in the next arc lol. He got helped by Kizaru of all people. Luffy almost never wins by being stronger, you must not be paying attention.

 

[SakazOuki]

Zoro is over King, because he beat King. Given that we don't know how his body works, that's a really dumb excuse. He obviously didn't lose intentionally

He lost due to plot, because Zoro is a Strawhat😂
King even felt sorry for Zoro after he begged him not to fight from the air
And conveniently he shuts off his flames for Zoro to win

He got helped by Kizaru of all people

There it is, just say you had no idea how strong Kizaru is, even admiral fans didn't expect him to dunk on Kaido's slayer this hard

When someone says scabbards dunked on Kaido, you reply "but he said it couldnt even open his old wound"
Suddenly fighting this trash who cant hurt him is a handicap when we know top tiers can fight for days against legit opponents

Yes thats the irony, Luffy the Cracker level rookie got owned easily, and the moment he unlocked a power up Kaido acknowladged him as a true foe while in base
Gear5 shat on Kaido
Gear 5 got humiliated by Kizaru of all people, lmfao

Pre final saga stepping stone

 

[Zoinks52]

Kaido was a stepping stone, we been saying that for years

Threatwise he was in a way the Frieza of OP, the evil reptile overlord with transformations who is hailed as the strongest only to beaten by the MC's new form.

Obviously not a 1:1 comparison. But I think it kinda works power level wise.

The whole narrative of Wano, plus the scenes with Gaban and Kizaru are clearly meant to indicate that Luffy can rival or equal him in power imo.

People keep beinging up his gauntlet but ignore that Luffy too was exhausted per his own words post resurrection.

I'm not even that much of a Kaido downplayer generally, I still think he has relevance as the big bad of middle saga OP and a powerful top tier. But this idea of him being like a goal Luffy has yet to still reach is silly tbh.

There it is, just say you had no idea how strong Kizaru is, even admiral fans didn't expect him to dunk on Kaido's slayer this hard

Kizaru is bizarrely underrated, seen by many as the third strongest Admiral and an "average top tier" at best.

For me he comes off as being up there with the very peak powerhouses, I need to see him go all out at this point given how well he performed in Egghead at his worst.

 

[Xione]

WG.

I mean tbf to the overgrown lizard, his plan didn't stop at just Gifters. The ultimate plan was to get the Ancient Weapons through getting the One Piece. That's why even when he allied with Big Mom, they were going to turn Wano into an entire island of a massive weapons producing factory, to then go after the One Piece and get the Ancient Weapons, which they then would've used against the WG. Same with Big Mamu, her OG plan was get Elbaf on her side, get one piece to get the Ancient Weapons.

His flaw imo was not subduing Wano already and running it through Orochi if the ultimate decision for him was eventually gonna be "enslave all of Wano and have them make weapons for us", that didn't need to wait until Linlin. Wano itself should've been his main base rather than Onigashima. I also think what Oda missed out on was showing the actual meeting between Linlin and Kaido where they form the alliance.

 

[Fn Lucci]

He lost due to plot, because Zoro is a Strawhat😂
King even felt sorry for Zoro after he begged him not to fight from the air
And conveniently he shuts off his flames for Zoro to win

Like I said, trolling. Show me an internal monologue of King feeling sorry, I'm not wasting my time going back and forth if you're just gonna make random shit up lol

Threatwise he was in a way the Frieza of OP, the evil reptile overlord with transformations who is hailed as the strongest only to beaten by the MC's new form.

This idea is not close enough to avoid being apples and oranges. OP doesn't have a linear scale. Freeza was unbeatable by anyone at all, Kaido was capable of being beaten but never had been conclusively. Freeza was objectively surpassed by the Android saga, and they low diffed Vegeta regardless of how far he was beyond Freeza.

People keep beinging up his gauntlet but ignore that Luffy too was exhausted per his own words post resurrection.

He ran out of steam after Lucci

I'm not even that much of a Kaido downplayer generally, I still think he has relevance as the big bad of middle saga OP and a powerful top tier. But this idea of him being like a goal Luffy has yet to still reach is silly tbh.

Kizaru is bizarrely underrated, seen by many as the third strongest Admiral and an "average top tier" at best.

Kaido never acknowledged Kizaru as someone who could beat him. It appears they never fought, but the reality is that if this was plausible then his standing wouldn't have lasted decades. Shanks is arguably at or somewhere before endgame level, and he never beat Kaido with certainty. Until it's revealed that Shanks had a reason to not do so, it really doesn't make sense to say he didn't try or wouldn't have tried

 

[Rumble]

They glaze a character the author himself has no respect for.

Y'all say the dumbest shit with the most confidence like it's a competition.

 

[SakazOuki]

Like I said, trolling. Show me an internal monologue of King feeling sorry, I'm not wasting my time going back and forth if you're just gonna make random shit up lol

You sound like wokes spamming misogynist or racist whenever they see anything their small brains don’t comprehend
Here is Zoro begging King for death by the sword

Zoro begged King for a sword duel lol

Shaming King into a swordfight

Completely helpess and gradually losing his energy. Ofcourse King can go on forever but he fell bored

"Fine", did that because he wants to enjoy the fight after Zoroboro bored the shit outta him

In an aerial fight he would still lose ACoC or not

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Y'all say the dumbest shit with the most confidence like it's a competition.

 

[Zoinks52]

He ran out of steam after Lucci

Didn't he recover pretty quickly? Post Kaido he needed a much longer time to recover.

Iirc with Kaido the main thing Luffy himself stresses is that dying took a lot out of him. Momonusuke also had a panel talking about how Luffy's "voice" sounded very faint even in G5.

Kaido never acknowledged Kizaru as someone who could beat him.

Kaido hasn't acknowledged any Marine, even Garp whose strength he knows very well. He also didn't acknowledge Mihawk who is Shanks' peer/superior despite noting the latter.

The only people he acknowledged are fellow pirates, I think. No Warlords/Admirals.

It appears they never fought, but the reality is that if this was plausible then his standing wouldn't have lasted decades. Shanks is arguably at or somewhere before endgame level, and he never beat Kaido with certainty. Until it's revealed that Shanks had a reason to not do so, it really doesn't make sense to say he didn't try or wouldn't have tried

I don't feel that either had reason to want Kaido beaten per se.

Kizaru is employed by the WG, who if I recall view the Yonko as important to world balance, and even secretly traded seastone with Wano. He's not doing anything without their say-so.

Shanks could have considered getting vengeance for Oden, but could have been a Whitebeard scenario where they felt revenge for a dead man was unneeded.

Is there anything I have overlooked here?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Let the dude who I replied to worry about countering what I said.

You literally put “quotes” around it as if it’s ever stated anywhere by anyone

 

[kekaro]

Aint no way blud is coping about kaido in big 2026 cause his drawn idolo got turned over ass upwards by him

 

[Rumble]

I legit don't know if you're retarded for sport or by birth.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Didn't he recover pretty quickly? Post Kaido he needed a much longer time to recover.

Recovery time is a nightmare to try figuring out in manga, especially in One Piece. In terms of appearance, we saw Lucci recovered before Luffy, and we know for sure that Kizaru got up before Luffy as well. Maybe blame it on not being used to awakening, which we know from Law takes some getting used to, but as of now Luffy has it as a pretty big drawback.

Iirc with Kaido the main thing Luffy himself stresses is that dying took a lot out of him. Momonusuke also had a panel talking about how Luffy's "voice" sounded very faint even in G5.

He "died" because of Kaido.

Kaido hasn't acknowledged any Marine, even Garp whose strength he knows very well. He also didn't acknowledge Mihawk who is Shanks' peer/superior despite noting the latter.

Garp is a good point even if we have no idea if they met after God Valley. Mihawk has never had anything to do with Kaido, though as you say he isn't exactly who we think of as a pirate

Kizaru is employed by the WG, who if I recall view the Yonko as important to world balance, and even secretly traded seastone with Wano. He's not doing anything without their say-so.

I've seen people suggest that they could have but didn't because of "balance" except they picked a fight with Whitebeard. I don't think the Marines would have backed down from fighting Shanks at Marineford if they didn't have substantial loss from that, either.

Shanks could have considered getting vengeance for Oden, but could have been a Whitebeard scenario where they felt revenge for a dead man was unneeded.

Is there anything I have overlooked here?

But he already clashed with Kaido. Oden aside, the chance to take out Kaido presented itself. You can say he was wise enough to save the trouble because he was definitely needed at Marineford, but my point is just that beating Kaido wasn't something he could just do.

 

[TheD.]

Scarring Whitebeard.

Roger is the GOAT.

The endless cope about it only cements that.

Doesn’t even come close to this

 

[TheD.]

@Djordje panics after confirmation that Roger remains the pinnacle of power

When has a cover page ever been related to the title