General & Others Saw something about Shamrock visiting the goose and it never being Shanks. There are a lot of L’s to be handed out for the rat slander if that’s true.

[Dragon777]

No, they were shocked he was there at all

Ok, but I think because he stormed in there unannounced.

We have seen Garlign talking to Gorosei no problem in the FB.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I am pretty sure loda retconned it. The context makes way more sense if it was shanks.

He didnt. As much as I disliked it at first, the Japanese guessed it wasnt Shanks from dialogue.

Apparently Shamrock talks a lot more politely and that gets lost in translation. Shanks uses less formal Japanese even to Whitebeard and Sengoku.

 

[Shiroyru]

He didnt. As much as I disliked it at first, the Japanese guessed it wasnt Shanks from dialogue.

Apparently Shamrock talks a lot more politely and that gets lost in translation. Shanks uses less formal Japanese even to Whitebeard and Sengoku.

Who do you think was the pirate Shamrock was talking about?

Loki would make the most sense imo, and would further set up the rivalry between Shamrock and Loki. I’m pretty sold on the theory that Shamrock has the Hellfire Serpent Fruit

 

[Paperchampion23]

Who do you think was the pirate Shamrock was talking about?

Loki would make the most sense imo, and would further set up the rivalry between Shamrock and Loki. I’m pretty sold on the theory that Shamrock has the Hellfire Serpent Fruit

 

[Dragon777]

Regular CDs don’t either? No CD gives a shit about world politics except gorosei.

Regul CDs don't care, but that doesn't mean they cannot at all.

In fact, we have seen the opposite:

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Regul CDs don't care, but that doesn't mean they cannot at all.

In fact, we have seen the opposite:

They “can” just like gods knights but it’s incredibly abnormal for them.

As i said, it never made sense for the gorosei to say that to shanks who actively participated in the politics of the world.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Who do you think was the pirate Shamrock was talking about?

Loki would make the most sense imo, and would further set up the rivalry between Shamrock and Loki. I’m pretty sold on the theory that Shamrock has the Hellfire Serpent Fruit

Shamrock definitely isn't that strong lol

 

[Dragon777]

Well yeah, but I´m talking about a formality. On paper, the CD´s don´t really have any political power in and of themselves, at least to my understanding. Similar with how oligarchs irl aren´t actually supposed to have the political influence they do. Does the formality really matter? Ofc not, but the Gorosei need to at least play to it. Shamrock shouldn´t really be meeting with them during the reverie

I don't think it's even a formality tbh. CD can do whatever they want unless the Gorosei don't allow it. They can even kidnap the very same royals present at the Reverie if they so much as want that.

Well Shanks and Shamrock are connected. But again, Shanks stopping the war the WG was conducting and allowing the enemy to escape would have come with numerous problems in and of itself. Shouldn´t the Gorosei have a problem with that?

Maybe, but would have explained why Shanks was getting a specila treatment from Sengoku.

I mean, Shanks essentially stopped Blackbeard from being killed at MF by the admirals lol. After sobering up on power, he realizes that he isn´t ready to fight them yet

Plus, Blackbeard basically snitched on himself at MF, I don´t see why Shanks would be ¨snitching¨ on one of the most famous criminals in the world anyway. Isn´t the idea of snitching that you reveal someone who isn´t known to be a criminal to the authorities?

Unfortunately OP plot makes no sense on this lol.

Shamrock trying to get the Gorosei to recruit Loki makes more sense, Imo. Loki is someone who is a bit less known than a Yonko, and hasn´t been active in years.

Yeah, but even then: why now? What was Shmarock's plan? Why Erbaf? Why Loki?

It's a little random.

 

[Shiroyru]

Shamrock definitely isn't that strong lol

Ok Oda.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Ok Oda.

Fighting Loki would put him above even the Gorosei, which is why it makes no sense

 

[Dragon777]

They “can” just like gods knights but it’s incredibly abnormal for them.

It's abnormal because they don't care, ok, but they aren't forbidden to do it or even discouraged if they do.

As i said, it never made sense for the gorosei to say that to shanks who actively participated in the politics of the world

Idk, saying to an Emperor that it shouldn't involve himself in the politics of the world made general sense to me.

 

[Dragon777]

Who do you think was the pirate Shamrock was talking about?

Loki would make the most sense imo, and would further set up the rivalry between Shamrock and Loki. I’m pretty sold on the theory that Shamrock has the Hellfire Serpent Fruit

I don't think he has the serpent fruit, but yeah, Loki.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's abnormal because they don't care, ok, but they aren't forbidden to do it or even discouraged if they do.



Idk, saying to an Emperor that it shouldn't involve himself in the politics of the world made general sense to me.

Why? The politics of the general world actively effects an emperor and his empire. That’s why literally ALL of them were reading the news and keeping tabs on the reverie

 

[Dragon777]

Why? The politics of the general world actively effects an emperor and his empire. That’s why literally ALL of them were reading the news and keeping tabs on the reverie

True, but it makes sense the Gorosei don't want them to do so.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

True, but it makes sense the Gorosei don't want them to do so.

It’s not what the Gorosei want, it’s about who should care about the world politics and the emperors should. It never made sense for this to be shanks.

 

[Shiroyru]

Fighting Loki would put him above even the Gorosei, which is why it makes no sense

There’s nothing wrong with Shamrock being above the Gorosei

 

[Dragon777]

It’s not what the Gorosei want, it’s about who should care about the world politics and the emperors should. It never made sense for this to be shanks.

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The Emperors are the most important opposing force of the WG; makes perfect sense that the Gorosei don't want them to meddle with WG's politics and in general to not do anything.

They are crimianals, usurpers and threats to their eyes.

 

[soupongo]

I don't think it's even a formality tbh. CD can do whatever they want unless the Gorosei don't allow it. They can even kidnap the very same royals present at the Reverie if they so much as want that.

Reality vs Formality, I guess. Can the CD´s technically do what they want? Yes, but it doesn´t mean that´s the political system at hand. The CD´s do kidnap even royals sometimes, but when there´s someone the Gorosei want to protect, like Harald, they can´t try kidnapping him. I mean they can talk about it, but we never saw them try. Shamrock meeting with the Gorosei is the same. Should he be showing up during the reverie? On paper, it´s not his time, but he´s special enough that it´s not a big deal.

Maybe, but would have explained why Shanks was getting a specila treatment from Sengoku.

It´s not like Shanks isn´t a wanted criminal though. Sengoku was shown listening to Koby´s speech and was a bit disturbed at the idea of all the casualties. He isn´t a good guy, but he isn´t supposed to be a complete CD bootlicker really. Shanks is being a good faith actor, so Sengoku is shown respecting that

Unfortunately OP plot makes no sense on this lol.

Fair

Yeah, but even then: why now? What was Shmarock's plan? Why Erbaf? Why Loki?

It's a little random.

Loki is Haralds son, who was a HK, probably the strongest of all time. He would be a great recruit if he did decide to join, with the world being chaotic post MF.

Anyway, I personally agree Oda was baiting too hard here, but let´s not act like there wasn´t strong implications it could have been someone other than Shanks lol. This isn´t a straight up retcon for sure

Poorly written? Potentially, but I think you have good potential introducing an evil twin for Shanks as well.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

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The Emperors are the most important opposing force of the WG; makes perfect sense that the Gorosei don't want them to meddle with WG's politics and in general to not do anything.

They are crimianals, usurpers and threats to their eyes.

Again, that doesn’t matter. Because the gorosei didn’t say we don’t want you meddling with politics they said someone like him shouldn’t have any care for politics.

 

[GodofDarkness]

God's Knights can make non affiliated countries members. But yeah they totally aren't involved in politics can also become Gorosei themselves. But they're totally not involved in politics guys