Questions & Mysteries Why didn't Rocks come back to life after dying?

[Akagame]

This might be a dumb question, or maybe i'm missing something, but if killing the Imu host ends Dom Reversi, then why didn't Rocks & his family come back to life and get their memories back too when they were killed? What about the Elbaf King Harald? He didn't come back to life either. Did Oda change the rules? Does the head in particular have to be severed for it to work?

 

[Chiji_]

Holy Knight/Elder covenant is slightly different for one they require conqueror’s haki. Domi reversi you need to land a killing blow. In the Rocks battle Roger and Garp could not damage him because of his conquerors haki defense, so the realistic thing to gather here is that they didn’t have to kill his reversi form, they dispelled Imu’s influence with their haki entirely. So rather than Rocks having his normal body fully healed, the haki wrecked his body which could explain why he was so worn out. Dorry and Broggy took like two attacks without any haki involved and so it was like nothing happened when they reverted back. Only way I know how to rationalize it. The Davy’s could have survived and the Holy Knights could have then executed them off screen, everything has been off-screened, they even could have collapsed with the island.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Rocks did came back but was weakened and was assassinated by Garling. Harald was not Domi reversied. He was given a contract.

 

[TheD.]

Rocks came back but not at full health or stamina thus he was too exhausted to get up.

The real question is what happend to rocks family after rocks defeated them in their domi reversi state.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

This might be a dumb question, or maybe i'm missing something, but if killing the Imu host ends Dom Reversi, then why didn't Rocks & his family come back to life and get their memories back too when they were killed? What about the Elbaf King Harald? He didn't come back to life either. Did Oda change the rules? Does the head in particular have to be severed for it to work?

he did. he literally exploded into like 40 pieces when roger and garp went all out against him. the next panel he was back to normal and Garling killed him.

 

[soupongo]

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Well here's my personal theory.

If you look closely, you'll notice that Brogy's hand that got shot off by Imu didn't heal after he got un-Reversi'd. Which seems to imply that any damage done before you get Reversi'd doesn't heal.

Rocks got stabbed through the chest by Imu's tentacles, right before he got Reversi'd. So, my thinking is that tentacle attack did more damage to Rocks than anyone suspected at first.

It seems like Imu needs to damage a person, in order to start the Domi Reversi "infection". The damage done to "infect" someone doesn't seem to heal, after the Reversi is undone.

More on that over here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...6-with-great-pride.79303/page-14#post-6604894

I just want to point something out about Domi Reversi.

Remember when Brogy got his hand blown off by Imu's shotgun?

(Chapter 1150)

Well...if you look VERY closely, Brogy doesn't have a hand anymore, after getting un-Reversi'd. There's just a stump there, when we see him from above. Even though, he pretty quickly hides it behind his shield.

(Chapter 1176)

So, remember when Rocks first got Reversi'd?

(Chapter 1163)

He ALSO happened to get stabbed though the chest by Imu's "tentacles".

Imu seems to need to inflict damage in order to "infect" someone with Domi Reversi. And that damage doesn't "heal" after they get out of it.

It's not inconsistent writing. It's just VERY easy to miss.

So...Rocks likely was mortally wounded...by tentacles. It's how he would have wanted to go.

And some follow-ups, to any holes you might find in my argument:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...illed-while-domi-reversed.79304/#post-6604874

Harald has a Contract, so a different set of rules apply. He wasn't Reveri'd, per se. Just influenced to become a more aggressive version of himself.

As for Davy D "Pops" and "Granny", we really don't know for sure what happened to them. In chapter 1162, we see that they got Reveri'd. Then Rocks makes his stand to help buy time for Eris and lil' Teach escape. When we see him next, he's standing over a bunch of fallen people. At the time, I think most people assume he killed them, so they wouldn't suffer anymore. But, there is a chance he "killed" them, and they got un-Reversi'd. Whether they managed to escape afterwards or not is hard to say. Because the God's Knights were having fun picking stragglers off. So, they could still be alive, or they might not. We don't know.

Did Rocks know that "killing" someone brings them out of Reversi? Well...Rocks knows many things. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe he suspected it, but wasn't sure? Unless we get another side to the flashback, we may never know. Which...isn't impossible if we eventually get a Blackbeard flashback, one way or another.



But, the weird thing is what happened to Rocks. Because that's the part that doesn't feel like it makes sense. Let's break this down.

In Chapter 1163, we see Rocks start to fight Imu. He JUST got done fighting Garling and the God's Knights and the other Reversi'd people. But, he still seems in pretty solid shape. Maybe tired? But, not unable to keep fighting. Then we see Imu-Saturn pierce him with their tentacles through his chest, and he starts to get Reveri'd. At the time, I thought that Imu's tentacle-attack was just a way to corrupt Rocks. But...maybe it harmed him more than it looked?

In Chapter 1164, Rocks is able to resist getting Reversi'd for a while. Until Imu puts more force into it and gives Rocks a order to "Put a end to Davy's Dream".

In Chapter 1165, we see that Rocks is somewhat able to resist the Reversi, seemingly due to his frustration with the situation or his love for his family or his pride as a warrior. Sending telepathic messages to Roger and Garp. And they manage to stop him with their Conqueror's Haki Combo Attacks.

In Chapter 1166, we see the aftermath of the attack. Rocks is flat on his back. Bleeding from a wound he didn't have before getting Reversi'd on his head. We don't see a clear enough shot of his chest to say whether or not Imu's tentacle attacks left holes in his chest or not. Then Garling finishes him off before he gets a chance to recover.



Now, let's compare that to what happened with Dorry and Brogy.

In Chapter 1150, Dorry and Brogy start out perfectly healthy. Then they attack Imunko. Brogy grabs Imunko. Imunko summons a knife and stabs him with it. Then, Imunko summons a shotgun and shoots Brogy's hand off, which causes it to float beside his arm for a while. Then Imunko Reveri's him. With Brogy's hand still "healing" while being Reversi'd. We don't actually see how Dorry got Reveri'd, since it happens offscreen. But, it seems like Brogy attacks him and he gets "infected" afterward. Possibly from Brogy "killing" Dorry?

In Chapter 1151, Brogy's shot-off hand is still floating, unattached.

In Chapter 1172, Brogy's hand seems to be intact. So, either it healed itself...or Oda forgot after that LONG flashback. It is partially hidden by a word balloon, but it looks pretty intact to me.

In Chapter 1173, Dorry and Brogy cut through each other's shoulders and shields.

In Chapter 1176, we see that Dorry and Brogy are able to slightly resist the Reversi, by remembering their warrior's pride. There doesn't seem to be any lingering physical wounds that would help them resist, like Harald's Mark getting slashed helping him resist. They chop off each other's head. And that un-Reveri's them. Notably...if you look closely, it seems like Brogy IS missing his hand, now. Only having a stump there when we see him from above. Although, he IS able to still use his shield with his stump.



So, looking at it all again, it seems like any damage done BEFORE the Reveri happens DOES still carry over after it's done. Imu seems to need to damage someone in order to start the "Reversi Infection". And the damage that Imu does seems permanent and doesn't get healed, after it gets undone

Brogy lost his hand after Imu blew it off. It doesn't seem to come back after he's "healed".

So, it seems pretty likely that the reason Rocks was weakened after being un-Reversi'd is because of the tentacle-holes that Imu left in his chest, while he was getting Reversi'd. That's not made very clear in the art. But, that seems likely to be the cause of Rocks' major wounds after he got un-Reversi'd. Maybe the anime will eventually make this more clear.

That doesn't quite explain Rocks' head-wound after he gets un-Reversi'd. But...let's just say he got unlucky and hit his head on a rock while he was coming out of it? Someone's liable to hit their head on SOMETHING, with all that flipping around they're doing!

Also, it seems like "pride" is likely a way to resist the Reversi? Maybe any strong emotion would be enough to break the control. But, in both instances, "pride" of different kinds could be said to be the source of what allows them to resist the mind control.

So, this DOES seem to mean that anyone who wasn't mortally wounded BEFORE they got Reversi'd, really should have been "healed" after they got out of it. So, Davy D "Pops" and "Granny" SHOULD have still been alive, even if Rocks "killed" them. Whether they stayed alive or not, given everything else happening on God Valley, that's another matter.



So, this actually DOES make some sense. It's just easy to miss that Brogy didn't get his hand back, after getting un-Reversi'd. These panels can be small, sometimes. Maybe this is over-explaining things? But, I think we all benefit from breaking down how this seems to work. It's not the most clearly-communicated thing in the world.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...6-with-great-pride.79303/page-16#post-6605046

Where are the 2 giant puncture wounds on Xebec’s chest after DR? The tentacles were just hax and didn’t physically hurt him

I'll admit, that IS a *little* bit of a inconsistency. If it works the same way as with Brogy, we should have seen two holes in Rocks' chest during his fight with Garp and Roger, if this was the case.

My answer to that is...they're there, but they're just VERY small holes. Imu's tentacles are just VERY thin. Imu performed a surgical strike in that moment and cut some key organs in Rocks' chest. You don't need to have huge wounds in your chest for it to be potentially deadly. Especially if Imu nicked a artery. Plus, the wounds themselves don't even need to be big enough to actually kill Rocks. Just bad enough to incapacitate him, in order to lay him out on his back for a while, so Garling can deliver the finishing blow.

Between the puncture wounds being very small, and the partial "healing" of Reversi hiding things, I think there's wiggle room to make it work. We really should have seen the holes. But...maybe we can just pretend they're there in the cross-hatching? It might be something that's made clearer in the anime, one way or another.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...6-with-great-pride.79303/page-16#post-6605074

Also doesn't check with Xebec's/Oda's words: he made Xebec saying that those "punctures" didn't hurt at all ---> and the point should have been that those were two life threatening, mortal injuries? That is basically the opposite of what the dialogue is saying.

But I mean, plothole for incostitency, better this incostitency.

That part I'm less bothered by. A wound doesn't need to hurt to kill you. Sometimes these things sneak up on you. It's even a fairly common couple of tropes.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ICanStillFight
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MortalWoundReveal
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BelatedInjuryRealization

Rocks might have thought he was fine at the moment. But, once Imu's tentacles were out of his body and not plugging the holes, anymore, he might have started bleeding out. There's a reason why you're not supposed to remove a arrow in your body yourself. Sometimes the thing that wounded you in the first place is the only thing that's stopping you from bleeding out.
https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/05/battle-wounds-never-pull-an-arrow-out-of-a-body/

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...6-with-great-pride.79303/page-17#post-6605105

It's not the fact that it might not hurt: it's the meaning fo the dialouge.

Why insert a dialogue about how a "wound" doesn't hurt at all when in fact it's supposed to be mortal? oda could easily said the opposite.

Dramatic irony. Something being the cause of death that the character doesn't even take seriously, at first.

Showing us that Rocks is overestimating his own abilities. And trying to do too much himself. That he thinks he's stronger than he is, against such a powerful foe.

Showing us that Imu can have VERY fine control. And does no more than is necessary in order to achieve their goals. Showing that Imu can be very subtle, in their way.

Showing us, the audience, that even a literally very small mistake can ruin all your years of plans and dreams.

There could be a few different reasons. And, I think they work well enough, myself.

I could be wrong about this. I'll admit that. But, I think it explains a lot. It's not a flawless explanation, but I think it is what Oda's going for.

So, Rocks died...to tentacles (and a sword to the face, later). Surely, that is the most dignified way to die that anyone could ever ask for.