If a textbook far right populist with strong fascist tendencies isn't good enough for you....damn
What the fuck Kirk and Trump are far from fascist, they are libertarians at worst, they
aren't even far right. They too busy compromising on basic social issues like LGBT, abortion, immigration to be considered even rightwing

know...tolerating LGBTQ means you can't be right wing, and you are far right and happily claim gay marriage isn't real sooooo...
Yes, people who are pro gay marriage as with Trump or tolerant/ambivalent towards gay marriage as with Kirk aren't usually very RW at all

bare minimum is being for gay marriage being banned
 
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But this is flat out wrong tho? They literally fund proxies that have attacked Israel? It’s not a secret, they even flaunt it

in fact I’d say they’re just as expansionist when it comes to sphere of influence. There’s a reason why other MENA countries saw Iran as a hostile nation, not just Israel.
There is a difference between seeking the destruction of a country, and moving chess pieces US style either to keep an influence in the region or to help the resistance against Israel.

In the end yeah, the goal might be the destruction of Israel (like any antiimperialist after all), which aligns with Palestinian interest and their ideological ally, but they do not really want a direct conflict, and I don't think they want to "destroy" the country in a litteral sense
in fact I’d say they’re just as expansionist when it comes to sphere of influence. There’s a reason why other MENA countries saw Iran as a hostile nation, not just Israel.
Yeah, of course, but when I'm talking about expensionnism, I'm not talking about influence, I'm talking about real land being colonized.

The Mena are not hostile for no reason, they are funded by the US and have allied to them. (the multiple bases around are a testimony of this). From my pov, although I could be wrong, I believe this is more of a question of economical interest. I don't think Iran intend to expend, they already have enough to deal with.

The entire region is insane lmao. I do think they want the West Bank and Gaza, but anything we seen from them in the past shows that they’re far from being that expansionist.
They want a greater Israel, it's a zionist project. They are currently securing the colonization fo the rest of Palestine and they are currently preping Lebanon for new colonies.

They are really that dangerous... and no one is there to stop them.


Disagree here, Iran is as active as the west and Israel. I’d argue there more proactive than Israel tbh.

they both deserve each other
Nah I'm sorry, but Iran is not the one doing an appartheid, bombing its neightboor for other reason than defensive actions, colonizing the others etc..

Iran is mostly reacting. It's an authoritarian gov with a lot of moving pieces all over the region of course and yeah, they have ties with harmed groups, but they are the victim here and they are legitimated in their response, not the other two.
 
There is a difference between seeking the destruction of a country, and moving chess pieces US style either to keep an influence in the region or to help the resistance against Israel.

In the end yeah, the goal might be the destruction of Israel (like any antiimperialist after all), which aligns with Palestinian interest and their ideological ally, but they do not really want a direct conflict, and I don't think they want to "destroy" the country in a litteral sense
Iran is not anti imperialist, they hate Israel for religious reasons. No need to make them out to be noble savages.

if they don’t want to destroy the country in a literal sense why do they fund armies that aim to kill all its citizens?


The Mena are not hostile for no reason, they are funded by the US and have allied to them. (the multiple bases around are a testimony of this). From my pov, although I could be wrong, I believe this is more of a question of economical interest. I don't think Iran intend to expend, they already have enough to deal with.
Yes you’re wrong lol. Even non U.S aligned countries like the current Syria regime see Iran as a direct enemy. Do a bit more research on the MENA region.
They want a greater Israel, it's a zionist project. They are currently securing the colonization fo the rest of Palestine and they are currently preping Lebanon for new colonies.

They are really that dangerous... and no one is there to stop them.
A greater Israel would include Jordan, which the have made 0 attempts at annexing at any point

it also includes Egypt which again, haven’t made any attempt at annexing after they made peace with those countries

but in the other hand it does want a buffer zone with Lebanon because hezbolla is there. I don’t agree with any sort of land grabbing but I can clearly see the reasoning being more security related than actual colonization
Nah I'm sorry, but Iran is not the one doing an appartheid, bombing its neightboor for other reason than defensive actions, colonizing the others etc..

Iran is mostly reacting. It's an authoritarian gov with a lot of moving pieces all over the region of course and yeah, they have ties with harmed groups, but they are the victim here and they are legitimated in their response, not the other two.
They don’t bomb their neighbors? They literally helped Assad kill a bunch of their citizens. They bomb their own citizens and their separatist movements?

why are leftists so quick to jump and defend anti west regimes despite how shit they are? Just do actual research on Iran and you’ll see 99% of what you said is wrong lol.
 
Iran is not anti imperialist, they hate Israel for religious reasons. No need to make them out to be noble savages.

if they don’t want to destroy the country in a literal sense why do they fund armies that aim to kill all its citizens?
Because they are anti-imperialist. Anti-imperialism can also include authoritarism and religious bigotry lmao
Iran are by nature anti-imperialist in the sense that they act against the interest of the imperialist agenda ... for the moment at least.

That's my current point of view, I'm not an expert on Iran, I could be wrong, but to me, this is a strategic move. This is a powerfull country with a big harm. They need to keep the reach to puch their own interest and they help the resistance at the the same times while pushing ideological belief.

Yes you’re wrong lol. Even non U.S aligned countries like the current Syria regime see Iran as a direct enemy. Do a bit more research on the MENA region.
perhaps, but this doesn't change the current situation

A greater Israel would include Jordan, which the have made 0 attempts at annexing at any point
For now*


but in the other hand it does want a buffer zone with Lebanon because hezbolla is there. I don’t agree with any sort of land grabbing but I can clearly see the reasoning being more security related than actual colonization
Well.. I'm simply looking at Palestine. The colonization of Palestine is absolutely not pushed by security reason, it's purely ideological and imperialistic, they want the land because they think it belongs to them. The thing is, they are also pushing for more land than simply the Palestinian territory. They want the entire cake, they are just taking their sweet time.


They don’t bomb their neighbors? They literally helped Assad kill a bunch of their citizens. They bomb their own citizens and their separatist movements?
Own citizen yeah, and yeah, they intervene, but not in direct conflicts, like Israel. They will move their interest piece, like any other.

why are leftists so quick to jump and defend anti west regimes despite how shit they are? Just do actual research on Iran and you’ll see 99% of what you said is wrong lol.
Because this is a core principle. My point is not to defend Iran. I don't care about their gov and I want a new democratic person in charge. But in the current context, we absolutely need to prevent this rethoric where we seek the justification of the situation in ethics.

There is no ethics in this conflict, there are two countries illegally attacking another for imperialist reason. And if we don't denouce that, it can continue with any country that are of interest for these fascist. Even Europe is not safe at this point.

So no, you won't see me demonstrated how much Iran is worse or even comparable to Israel or the US, because on paper and in practice, it's absolutely not the case. They are like any other country with interest, they uses their influence, their fund criminals and milicias, they fund harmed groups, they move their pieces on the board. They are crooked, but they are currently victim of a real imperialist interest and if we keep this narrative of equivalency, we invisibilize the responsibility of the actors in the conflict and we justify the victims.

Furthermore, it's important to stop believing the crap imperialist propaganda relative to muslim country in the region. Iran wouldn't have to show its fangs if it had been allowed to flurish from the start without intervention.

This is a fact. Iran, no matter how bad they are, needs to be dealt with by Iranian or at worse by international consensus. Anything else is and should always be a scandal.
 
Also, could the mod who is currently in full power trip stop two seconds to reflect on the ethical relevancy and impact of specifically censoring leftists and not the actual documented racists, when fascism, racism, and popular anger are all rising all over the world ?

I don't ask musk (pun intended), just a little bit of ethical meditation. Thx.
 
I hate this imperialistic logic that “governments I like have a right to exist but governments I don’t like need to be destroyed”.

The west does it all the time. “Israel has a right to exist but Hamas and Iran are terror states that need to be destroyed”.

The left and the anti-west movement basically do the same thing in reverse, defending the Islamist regimes and calling for Israel to be destroyed.

it’s hypocritical and only leads to innocent people dying for the sake of geopolitical agendas. Either all governments are legitimate or none of them are.
 
Also, could the mod who is currently in full power trip stop two seconds to reflect on the ethical relevancy and impact of specifically censoring leftists and not the actual documented racists, when fascism, racism, and popular anger are all rising all over the world ?

I don't ask musk (pun intended), just a little bit of ethical meditation. Thx.
Not censored? i got banned for 2 months

Most you got was like a week?
 
Because they are anti-imperialist. Anti-imperialism can also include authoritarism and religious bigotry lmao
Iran are by nature anti-imperialist in the sense that they act against the interest of the imperialist agenda ... for the moment at least.

That's my current point of view, I'm not an expert on Iran, I could be wrong, but to me, this is a strategic move. This is a powerfull country with a big harm. They need to keep the reach to puch their own interest and they help the resistance at the the same times while pushing ideological belief.
By that logic if Italy suddenly became fascist again and declared itself an enemy of the west they would be anit imperialist?

that's just silly and extremely reductive.

I can only go by their actions as of now. And if we see what happened with Egypt and Jordan it seems like the moment you normalize relations with Israel they leave you the fuck alone. Mind you Israel had both border Jordan and conquered land from Egypt at some point.

Well.. I'm simply looking at Palestine. The colonization of Palestine is absolutely not pushed by security reason, it's purely ideological and imperialistic, they want the land because they think it belongs to them. The thing is, they are also pushing for more land than simply the Palestinian territory. They want the entire cake, they are just taking their sweet time.
That's the issue, you view the entire MENA ecosystem through a palestine lense. You have to view it larger than that. Palestine is a means to an end for Iran.

And yeah I already conceded they want the West Bank and Gaza, but as stated before I have more reasons to believe they'd stop there than not.



Own citizen yeah, and yeah, they intervene, but not in direct conflicts, like Israel. They will move their interest piece, like any other.
Again, wrong. They helped Assad kill Syrian citizens and rebel groups. That's just off the top of my head
 

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Statements from US and Iran are giving mixed signals to the market.

There's need to ensure supply of fuel or else global economy will suffer massively, if supply chain continues to remain affected
 

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@Roo I think Iran is on it's last leg.

It's strategy now is simply to choke Strait of Hormuz to not let any oil/gas pass and attack Gulf countries commerical infrastructure, to pressure the world to intervene to stop Israel and US. It will end war and Iran will claim they successfully defended against USA and won. Face saving act but it come across as Iran has no other options. It's on last leg.

If US and Israel stays adamant and continue the strikes like yesterday (400+), I think within next 7-10 days or so, Iran would totally be down.

Iran's hope that World will intervene might not work as quickly as Iran thinks- All major countries have oil reserves (China - 3 months reserve, India - 2 months with importing more from Russia, Europe - 60 - 90 days, Canada - exporter, US - few months, Russia - Exporter)

As these countries have sufficient oil reserves so they might not intervene as quickly as Iran anticpates.

But countries lacking reserves might see partial shutdown of their economy.

So, I feel global intervention is necessary as quickly as possible
 
@Roo I think Iran is on it's last leg.

It's strategy now is simply to choke Strait of Hormuz to not let any oil/gas pass and attack Gulf countries commerical infrastructure, to pressure the world to intervene to stop Israel and US. It will end war and Iran will claim they successfully defended against USA and won. Face saving act but it come across as Iran has no other options. It's on last leg.

If US and Israel stays adamant and continue the strikes like yesterday (400+), I think within next 7-10 days or so, Iran would totally be down.

Iran's hope that World will intervene might not work as quickly as Iran thinks- All major countries have oil reserves (China - 3 months reserve, India - 2 months with importing more from Russia, Europe - 60 - 90 days, Canada - exporter, US - few months, Russia - Exporter)

As these countries have sufficient oil reserves so they might not intervene as quickly as Iran anticpates.

But countries lacking reserves might see partial shutdown of their economy.

So, I feel global intervention is necessary as quickly as possible
Drones saved Iran they have lot it has created lot of headache for US. They even had to ask Ukraine to overcome it.

I would say with limited resource Iran did well overcourse the effect has been enormous on Iranian regime . No leadership but regime didnt collapse.

Mullah regime in Iran is not easy to overthrow as Donnie thought.
 
@Roo I think Iran is on it's last leg.

It's strategy now is simply to choke Strait of Hormuz to not let any oil/gas pass and attack Gulf countries commerical infrastructure, to pressure the world to intervene to stop Israel and US. It will end war and Iran will claim they successfully defended against USA and won. Face saving act but it come across as Iran has no other options. It's on last leg.

If US and Israel stays adamant and continue the strikes like yesterday (400+), I think within next 7-10 days or so, Iran would totally be down.

Iran's hope that World will intervene might not work as quickly as Iran thinks- All major countries have oil reserves (China - 3 months reserve, India - 2 months with importing more from Russia, Europe - 60 - 90 days, Canada - exporter, US - few months, Russia - Exporter)

As these countries have sufficient oil reserves so they might not intervene as quickly as Iran anticpates.

But countries lacking reserves might see partial shutdown of their economy.

So, I feel global intervention is necessary as quickly as possible
it‘s overall a bit weird .
Trump stating they are far ahead of their orginal plan (didn‘t mention they thought it was over in a couple of days),next thing he says he will bomb the shit out of them if they mess with the strait of Hormuz.
Makes you wonder if the US only cares about the oil and not the nuclear weapons and human rights 🤭
 

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Drones saved Iran they have lot it has created lot of headache for US. They even had to ask Ukraine to overcome it.

I would say with limited resource Iran did well overcourse the effect has been enormous on Iranian regime . No leadership but regime didnt collapse.

Mullah regime in Iran is not easy to overthrow as Donnie thought.
I won't call it "saved Iran".

Iran has suffered significant damages. Yesterday, Iran said "It can fight long war with USA and Israel but it won't let even a drop of oil pass through Strait of Hormuz unless other countries intervene to stop US and Israel "


To me, it come across as Iran anticpates world to act while keeping the hard stance intact to not lose any face.


Drones simply helped Iran to execute the leverage they have - Choke Hormuz and plan to make world intervene as drones are mainly used to target Gulf nations commercial hubs and energy infrastructure.

But can Iran sustain this while losing its own resources and infrastructure? Yesterday, 30 Iranian oil depots were destroyed in one go.

US isn't targetting energy infrastructure of Iran as of now but the moment US does so, Iran would be out of everything.
it‘s overall a bit weird .
Trump stating they are far ahead of their orginal plan (didn‘t mention they thought it was over in a couple of days),next thing he says he will bomb the shit out of them if they mess with the strait of Hormuz.
Makes you wonder if the US only cares about the oil and not the nuclear weapons and human rights 🤭
It definitely didn't go as US planned but I do think as far damaging Iran is concerned then US and Israel did it successfully.


But US definitely didn't anticipate Hormuz to be used as a leverage..even if they did then not to this extent.

Rising oil prices and shortages of Oil/Gas would affect entire world and would backfire for Trump as well.


Here's the timeline I remember

1) US pressured Iran to have deal

2) Deal didn't work out

3) US and Israel attacked

4) Iran retaliated

Few days later,

5) US - war can last more than a month

2 days later,

6) US - War will be over soon (in a week o

7) Iran - refused to let oil pass through Hormuz unless world intervenes to stop US and Israel

8) Trump - will attack 20 times harder if Iran even dares to stop any vessel


Issue is - oil prices won't go down properly unless there's surety that supply will resume.

For supply to resume, Gulf needs to resume operations like normally with continuation of passage of oil through Hormuz
 
I hate this imperialistic logic that “governments I like have a right to exist but governments I don’t like need to be destroyed”.

The west does it all the time. “Israel has a right to exist but Hamas and Iran are terror states that need to be destroyed”.

The left and the anti-west movement basically do the same thing in reverse, defending the Islamist regimes and calling for Israel to be destroyed.

it’s hypocritical and only leads to innocent people dying for the sake of geopolitical agendas. Either all governments are legitimate or none of them are.
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